Interesting On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:46 PM, "SeeMaa" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > DON JOHNSON, hello .. > > I like you .. I'd be scared .. > > These terrorists outside of the Islamic religion .. as the clerics > say. > > There are many, many campaigns carried out by men of religion to > explain true Islam .. > > then how come so many of them are clerics? they seem to be the ones guiding > islam > > Islam Condemns Terrorism If islam is condemning terrorism how come is it promoting it so much.. > > > > > Some people who say they are acting in the name of religion may > misunderstand their religion or practice it wrongly. For this reason, > it is a mistake to form any idea of that religion from the activities > of these people. The best way to understand Islam is through its holy > source. So what you are saying is the majority of clerics and their teachings are a mis understanding of their religion? > > The holy source of Islam is the Qur'an; and the model of morality in > the Qur'an is completely different from the image of it formed in the > minds of some westerners. The Qur'an is based on the concepts of > morality, love, compassion, mercy, modesty, self-sacrifice, tolerance > and peace, and a Muslim who truly lives according to these moral > precepts is highly refined, thoughtful, tolerant, trustworthy and > accommodating. To those around him he gives love, respect, peace of > mind and a sense of the joy of life. What I have read of the quran ir is a bunch of contradictory statements > > > > Islam Is A Religion Of Peace And Well-Being > > The word Islam has the same meaning as "peace" in Arabic. Islam is a > religion that came down to offer humanity a life filled with the peace > and well-being in which God's eternal mercy and compassion is > manifested in the world. God invites all people to accept the moral > teachings of the Qur'an as a model whereby mercy, compassion, > tolerance and peace may be experienced in the world. In Surat al- > Baqara verse 208, this command is given: > > > You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in > the footsteps of Satan. He is an outright enemy to you. I am sorry from what I am reading that statement is psycho babble. it is meant to sound spiritual and say nothing at all. From what I have seen on the is Islam is outright the footsteps of Satan. > > > As we see in this verse, people will experience well-being and > happiness by living according to the moral teaching of the Qur'an. I must be watching the wrong propaganda programs. > > > God Condemns Mischief > If this is true why is it apparently practiced so much? > > God has commanded humanity to avoid evil; he has forbidden immorality, > rebellion, cruelty, aggressiveness, murder and bloodshed. Yup the new is full of that from the islamic world that is for sure. > Those who do > not obey this command of God are walking in the steps of Satan, as it > says in the verse above, and have adopted an attitude that God has > clearly declared unlawful. For being lawful they sure seem to be greatly supported by the clerics. > Of the many verses that bear on this > subject, here are only two: > > > But as for those who break God's contract after it has been agreed and > sever what God has commanded to be joined, and cause corruption in the > earth, the curse will be upon them. They will have the Evil Abode. So what you are saying is Islam is an evil abode > > (Surat ar-Ra'd: 25) > Seek the abode of the hereafter with what God has given you, without > forgetting your portion of the world. And do good as God has been good > to you. And do not seek to cause mischief on earth. God does not love > mischief makers.' (Surat al-Qasas: 77) then why are there so many islamic mischief makes? > > > As we can see, God has forbidden every kind of mischievous acts in the > religion of Islam including terrorism and violence, and condemned > those who commit such deeds. A Muslim lends beauty to the world and > improves it. maybe in your dreams those are just words. until the followers if islam stand up and outright condemn the terrorist acts silence is shouting approval! > > > > Islam Defends Tolerance And Freedom Of Speech That is not true at all I saw some cartoons that the Islamic world freaked out over into destructive riots a while back.. please explain to me specifically how these riots lead to: "A muslim lends beauty to the word and improves it" > > [COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"]Islam is a religion which fosters freedom of > life, ideas and thought. It has forbidden tension and conflict among > people, calumny, suspicion and even having negative thoughts about > another individual. again the riots over some cartoon drawings.. People who follow islam must obey their cleric, no choice from what I observe. > > > Islam has not only forbidden terror and violence, but also even the > slightest imposition of any idea on another human being. > Need I tell you to look at the news reels coming out of Pakistani lately and how come are so many of the clerics supporting the violence and terrorism. > > > There is no compulsion in religion. Right guidance has become clearly > distinct from error. Anyone who rejects false gods and believes in God > has grasped the Firmest Handhold, which will never give way. God is > All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (Surat al-Baqara: 256) I would have to reject islam by this statement alone because of the false gods and false teaching,, because God is All-hearing, All-knowing > > So remind, you need only to remind. You cannot compel them to believe. > (Surat al-Ghashiyah: 22) translation by actions : If they don't believe them beat the shit of them, punish them force them to dress as you would have them dress. > > To force anyone to believe in a religion or to practice it, is against > the spirit and essence of Islam. the top leadership does that all the time. Because it is necessary that faith be > accepted with free will and conscience. Of course, Muslims may urge > one another to keep the moral precepts taught in the Qur'an, but they > never use compulsion. again words are cheap. > In any case, an individual cannot be induced to > the practice of religion by either threat or offering him a worldly > privilege. > > Let us imagine a completely opposite model of society. For example, a > world in which people are forced by law to practice religion. Such a > model of society is completely contrary to Islam because faith and > worship have value only when they are directed toward God. Then why is islam forced down people throats? > If there > were a system that forced people to believe and worship, people would > be religious only out of fear of the system. What is acceptable from > the point of view of religion is that religion be practiced in an > environment where freedom of conscience is permitted, and that it be > practiced only for the approval of God. > > > God Has Made The Killing Of Innocent People Unlawful > > According to the Qur'an, one of the greatest sins is to kill a human > being who has committed no fault: All people are at fault so does that mean you are eligible to be killed? > > > > ...If someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for > someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - Sounds to me like a cleric got a hold of God's word and twisted them to suit his or her own agenda. > it is as if he > had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, > it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to > them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed > outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32) if your clerics are give such clear signs why do they keep following such an evil destructive path dedicated to harming mankind? > > Those who do not call on any other deity together with God and do not > kill anyone God has made inviolate, except with the right to do so, > and do not fornicate; anyone who does that will receive an evil > punishment. (Surat al-Furqan: 68) again as i read the quote I read psycho babble massive amount of words that twist and distort ideas. > > > As we can see in the verses above, those who kill innocent human > beings without a cause are threatened with evil punishment. God has > revealed that killing one person is as great a sin as killing all > mankind. Anyone who respected the prerogatives of God would not do > harm to even one individual, let alone murdering thousands of innocent > people. Those who think that they will escape justice and punishment > in this world will never escape the account they must give in the > Presence of God on the Last Day. So, those believers who know they > will give an account to God after their death, will be very careful > about respecting the limits God has established. Apparently this is nothing more than an ideal threat, simply because your clerics do adhere to it, especially the ones who claim to be desendents of mohamed > > > > God Commands Believers To Be Compassionate And Merciful from what i see islam is anything but.. > > > In this verse, Muslim morality is explained: > > > ...To be one of those who believe and urge each other to steadfastness > and urge each other to compassion. Those are the Companions of the > Right. (Surat al-Balad: 17-18) where can I find these stead fast people? I have not been hearing of them > > > As we see in this verse, one of the most important moral precepts that > God has sent down to His servants so that they may receive salvation > and mercy and attain Paradise, is to "urge each other to compassion". where? > > > Islam as described in the Qur'an is a modern, enlightened, progressive > religion. A Muslim is above all a person of peace; he is tolerant with > a democratic spirit, cultured, enlightened, honest, knowledgable about > art and science and civilized. > If I were to describe islamic from my observationsI would have to use almost the opposite words to discribe it acurately. > > A Muslim educated in the fine moral teaching of the Qur'an, approaches > everyone with the love that Islam expects. machine gun and bomb in hand, He shows respect for every > idea and he values art and aesthetics. as long as they don't disagree with them. > He is conciliatory in the face > of every event, diminishing tension and restoring amity. again where is this occuring. > In societies > composed of individuals such as this, there will be a higher > civilization, a higher social morality, more joy, happiness, justice, > security, abundance and blessings than in the most modern nations of > the world today. > Let me see I had a knee operation, and was disabled durning this time three month time I was hit by three by baby carrages had my foot steped on one and physically shoved outof the way twice becuase I could not move fast enough to suit them > > > God Has Commanded Tolerance And Forgiveness I may for give and tolarate them but the oppisite can not be said to be true. > > > Surat al-A'raf, verse 199, which says "practice forgiveness", > expresses the concept of forgiveness and tolerance which is one of the > basic principles of the religion of Islam. Those are only word you wish for, the actions speakof a different set of beliefs. > > > When we look at Islamic history, we can see clearly how Muslims > established this important precept of the moral teaching of the Qur'an > in their social life. At every point in their advance, Muslims > destroyed unlawful practices and created a free and tolerant > environment. In the areas of religion, language and culture, they made > it possible for people totally opposite to each other to live under > the same roof in freedom and peace, thereby giving to those subject to > them the advantages of knowledge, wealth and position. Where is this occuring, as Ihave never seen it. > > > Likewise, one of the most important reasons that the large and > widespread Ottoman Empire was able to sustain its existence for so > many centuries was that its way of life was directed by the tolerance > and understanding brought by Islam. For centuries Muslims have been > characterized by their tolerance and compassion. In every period of > time they have been the most just and merciful of people. All ethnic > groups within this multi-national community freely practiced the > religions they have followed for years and enjoyed every opportunity > to live in their own cultures and worship in their own way. In your dreams maybe. > > > Indeed, the particular tolerance of Muslims, when practiced as > commanded in the Qur'an, can alone bring peace and well-being to the > whole world. The Qur'an refers to this particular kind of tolerance: if the quran teaches tolarance why is not the islamic world tolarant? Talk is cheap. > > A good action and a bad action are not the same. Repel the bad with > something better and, if there is enmity between you and someone else, > he will be like a bosom friend. (Surat al-Fussilat: 34) huh?? > > Conclusion > > All this shows that the moral teaching offered to humanity by Islam is > one that will bring peace, happiness and justice to the world. The > barbarism that is happening in the world today under the name of > "Islamic Terrorism" is completely removed from the moral teachings of > the Qur'an; it is the work of ignorant, bigoted people, criminals who > have nothing to do with religion. The solution which will applied > against these individuals and groups who are trying to commit their > deeds of savagery under the guise of Islam, will be the instruction of > people in the true moral teaching of Islam. > > In other words, the religion of Islam and the moral teaching of the > Qur'an are not the supporters of terrorism and the terrorists, but the > remedy by which the world can be saved from the scourge of terrorism. Conclusion This is nothing but simple double talk where the words ay one thing and the actions say another. Islam out-right supports terrorism if it did not it would not tolorate at all the clerics that do! do I need to repeat that ? I see little difference between islam and fundelmental christianity. Massive amounts of words and say little, mostly what is said is meant to confuse. It has nothing to do with the actions of the believers. Mohamed Like Jesus wrote nothing at all! what has been written is the distortions of so called believers. It has little todo withwho they were but more to do with what distortions their followers had to control people. from what I understand the most common version of the quoran was the result of a prisoner serving time for serious offences against the quaron in an egyptian jail. Words are cheap and to me what I have read of the quaron whith out some one trying to explain it,, comes out to less than nonsensical ramblings. 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