SeeMaa, I am a little irritated by the attitude you seem to take here,
viz. you presenting yourself as a teacher and requesting us to take
the role of students. I am, of course, delighted at the opportunity to
learn from anyone who posts here, but I also expect them to enter into
dialogue with me.

What I know of the historical religious development of Islam suggests
that a major change took place in thinking from around the 11th.
Century C.E. onwards. In the first period of what is known as the
Islamic Golden Age (7th - 13th Century C.E.) there was a great
openness towards speculative, rational thinking, which led to great
advances in areas such as science, mathematics and philosophy,
exemplified by such thinkers as Avicenna (Ibn Sina, d. 1037), Averroes
(Ibn Rushd, d. 1198) or Alhazen (Ibn al-Haytham, d. 1039).
Historically, the influence of this way of thinking (generally
described by historians as the Mutazilite tendency of thought) had
less and less influence on Islam as time progressed, losing ground
steadily to the Asharite view of knowledge, particularly following the
critique of the influence of Hellenistic philosophy on Islamic
thinkers by Al-Ghazali (d. 1111) in his work, "The Incoherence of the
Philosophers." (It is perhaps significant that Averroes, who wrote
"The Incoherence of the Incoherence" as an attempted rebuttal of Al-
Ghazali, went on to become a major influence on Christian scholastic
thinkers, such as Albertus Magnus and Aquinas, while being largely
ignored in Islam.)

This forms the background to the prevailing view in Islam that the
"gates of ijtihad (اجتهاد)" ([simplified] independent interpretation
of sources) were "closed" by the 10th. Century C.E with a consequent
increasing emphasis on "taqlid (تَقْليد)" ([simpified] imitation -
unquestioning acceptance of religious authority). In my view, the
predominance of this way of thinking caused Islam to fatally close
itself off to certain avenues of development regarding independent
rational thinking - a way generally not taken by its relgious
competitor, Christianity. Generalising massively (!), an end result
was, on one side, the emergence of the Enlightenment and the
Scientific Revolution out of the Christian tradition, on the other
side, within Islam, the madrasahs of the Taliban. (I must stress here
that I am not equating the views of the Taliban with Islam, any more
than I would equate the views of Karl Marx with Christianity; I am
simply pointing out that they are extreme developments of different
general vectors followed by the two religious traditions.)

Francis

On 21 Jul., 22:14, "\"SeeMaa\"" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 21 يوليو, 22:27, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Kim Stanley Robinson's "Years of Rice and Salt", which Molly referred
> > to here recently, posits an alternate history in which Islam rather
> > than Christianity becomes the context within which the scientific
> > revolution takes place. An interesting "what if ...", in which other
> > possibilities for a development of Islamic self-understanding are put
> > forward.
>
> > Francis
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hey Mr. .. Francis ..
> If you have a question or inquiry .. Preferred
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