Er ... possible misunderstanding here, Allan? SeeMaa posted this twice. In the "ask me about .." thread, where he/ she also posted it, there is a long section by section reply from you ...
Francis On 22 Jul., 21:15, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Well I went through section by section and asked questions and pointed out > what as I see as falsehoods. and the comments of seemaa were replaced and > the quote is the original put back up and my comments were no longer there. > > Probably for the best , my good friend Abi's wife does not like me either > and she is a cleric.. > > It is not important i will write it off to Allah keeping me out of trouble. > Allan > > PS It really was not very nice, but I never have liked when one thing is > said and the actions speak of another. > Allan > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Chris Jenkins > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > You're not on moderation, Allan. Why did you think you are? > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> So I am on moderation now?? interesting > >> seems some topics are just off limits > >> Allan > > >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:14 PM, GarrieMushet <[email protected] > >> > wrote: > > >>> The only reason you think that other people have interrpretted the > >>> Qur'an wrongly is because you have compared it you YOUR > >>> interpretation. And what makes you so sure that YOUR interpretation is > >>> correct? > > >>> Well, first of all, YOUR interpretation is more moral, yes? Well if > >>> morality is supposed to come FROM the Qur'an, then where is this > >>> morality that you are using to judge your interpretation OF the > >>> Qur'an? That's right, somewhere else. > > >>> The fact of the matter is that morality is a subjective thing, and so > >>> is your interpretation of the Qur'an. There are no guidelines that > >>> come with the Qur'an which tell you how to interpret it. Without such > >>> guidelines, anything goes. Even if there were guidelines, there would > >>> be different types of people interpretting the guidelines in different > >>> ways. This inability to get a 'correct' interpretation of the Qur'an > >>> makes it a really bad source of morality, and it also makes any > >>> statement about what the Qur'an is supposed to be about if you > >>> interpret it 'correctly' are meaningless and void. > > >>> The only thing we can say is that religious texts have a far higher > >>> frequency of violent readers than non-religious books. The conclusion > >>> I can draw from this is that there is something inherently wrong with > >>> treating religious texts in the way that people treat them. Part of > >>> the 'wrong' way we treat is, is the presupposition that there is a > >>> 'correct' way to interpret it - this just leads to extremists being > >>> able to justify their extremism, and anybody else being able to > >>> justify anything else. > > >>> On Jul 22, 11:29 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > There have been many wars and attrocities carried out in the name of > >>> > one religion or another. That should be a big hint to stay away from > >>> > religion!!! The "holy source" that you refer to is simply another book > >>> > written by humans. I cannot fathom how anything 'holy' could be found > >>> > in a book. Yes, the Bible and Qur'an give some good life-lessons. So > >>> > do a lot of other books. I believe the problem isn't the words of the > >>> > books, but the very fact that they represent a religion. Religion > >>> > often breeds fanaticism which consequently leads to many attrocities. > >>> > If everybody tried to be a concerned and helpful citizen, religion > >>> > would become less relevant in my opinion. > > >>> > On Jul 21, 11:09 pm, ""SeeMaa"" <[email protected]> > >>> > wrote: > > >>> > > Hi .. > >>> > > Read this .. Give me your opinion > > >>> > > Islam Condemns Terrorism > > >>> > > Some people who say they are acting in the name of religion may > >>> > > misunderstand their religion or practice it wrongly. For this reason, > >>> > > it is a mistake to form any idea of that religion from the activities > >>> > > of these people. The best way to understand Islam is through its holy > >>> > > source. > > >>> > > The holy source of Islam is the Qur'an; and the model of morality in > >>> > > the Qur'an is completely different from the image of it formed in the > >>> > > minds of some westerners. The Qur'an is based on the concepts of > >>> > > morality, love, compassion, mercy, modesty, self-sacrifice, tolerance > >>> > > and peace, and a Muslim who truly lives according to these moral > >>> > > precepts is highly refined, thoughtful, tolerant, trustworthy and > >>> > > accommodating. To those around him he gives love, respect, peace of > >>> > > mind and a sense of the joy of life. > > >>> > > Islam Is A Religion Of Peace And Well-Being > > >>> > > The word Islam has the same meaning as "peace" in Arabic. Islam is a > >>> > > religion that came down to offer humanity a life filled with the > >>> peace > >>> > > and well-being in which God's eternal mercy and compassion is > >>> > > manifested in the world. God invites all people to accept the moral > >>> > > teachings of the Qur'an as a model whereby mercy, compassion, > >>> > > tolerance and peace may be experienced in the world. In Surat al- > >>> > > Baqara verse 208, this command is given: > > >>> > > You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow > >>> in > >>> > > the footsteps of Satan. He is an outright enemy to you. > > >>> > > As we see in this verse, people will experience well-being and > >>> > > happiness by living according to the moral teaching of the Qur'an. > > >>> > > God Condemns Mischief > > >>> > > God has commanded humanity to avoid evil; he has forbidden > >>> immorality, > >>> > > rebellion, cruelty, aggressiveness, murder and bloodshed. Those who > >>> do > >>> > > not obey this command of God are walking in the steps of Satan, as it > >>> > > says in the verse above, and have adopted an attitude that God has > >>> > > clearly declared unlawful. Of the many verses that bear on this > >>> > > subject, here are only two: > > >>> > > But as for those who break God's contract after it has been agreed > >>> and > >>> > > sever what God has commanded to be joined, and cause corruption in > >>> the > >>> > > earth, the curse will be upon them. They will have the Evil Abode. > >>> > > (Surat ar-Ra'd: 25) > >>> > > Seek the abode of the hereafter with what God has given you, without > >>> > > forgetting your portion of the world. And do good as God has been > >>> good > >>> > > to you. And do not seek to cause mischief on earth. God does not love > >>> > > mischief makers.' (Surat al-Qasas: 77) > > >>> > > As we can see, God has forbidden every kind of mischievous acts in > >>> the > >>> > > religion of Islam including terrorism and violence, and condemned > >>> > > those who commit such deeds. A Muslim lends beauty to the world and > >>> > > improves it. > > >>> > > Islam Defends Tolerance And Freedom Of Speech > > >>> > > [COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"]Islam is a religion which fosters freedom > >>> of > >>> > > life, ideas and thought. It has forbidden tension and conflict among > >>> > > people, calumny, suspicion and even having negative thoughts about > >>> > > another individual. > > >>> > > Islam has not only forbidden terror and violence, but also even the > >>> > > slightest imposition of any idea on another human being. > > >>> > > There is no compulsion in religion. Right guidance has become clearly > >>> > > distinct from error. Anyone who rejects false gods and believes in > >>> God > >>> > > has grasped the Firmest Handhold, which will never give way. God is > >>> > > All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (Surat al-Baqara: 256) > >>> > > So remind, you need only to remind. You cannot compel them to > >>> believe. > >>> > > (Surat al-Ghashiyah: 22) > > >>> > > To force anyone to believe in a religion or to practice it, is > >>> against > >>> > > the spirit and essence of Islam. Because it is necessary that faith > >>> be > >>> > > accepted with free will and conscience. Of course, Muslims may urge > >>> > > one another to keep the moral precepts taught in the Qur'an, but they > >>> > > never use compulsion. In any case, an individual cannot be induced to > >>> > > the practice of religion by either threat or offering him a worldly > >>> > > privilege. > > >>> > > Let us imagine a completely opposite model of society. For example, a > >>> > > world in which people are forced by law to practice religion. Such a > >>> > > model of society is completely contrary to Islam because faith and > >>> > > worship have value only when they are directed toward God. If there > >>> > > were a system that forced people to believe and worship, people would > >>> > > be religious only out of fear of the system. What is acceptable from > >>> > > the point of view of religion is that religion be practiced in an > >>> > > environment where freedom of conscience is permitted, and that it be > >>> > > practiced only for the approval of God. > > >>> > > God Has Made The Killing Of Innocent People Unlawful > > >>> > > According to the Qur'an, one of the greatest sins is to kill a human > >>> > > being who has committed no fault: > > >>> > > ...If someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for > >>> > > someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - it is as if he > >>> > > had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, > >>> > > it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to > >>> > > them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed > >>> > > outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32) > >>> > > Those who do not call on any other deity together with God and do not > >>> > > kill anyone God has made inviolate, except with the right to do so, > >>> > > and do not fornicate; anyone who does that will receive an evil > >>> > > punishment. (Surat al-Furqan: 68) > > >>> > > As we can see in the verses above, those who kill innocent human > >>> > > beings without a cause are threatened with evil punishment. God has > >>> > > revealed that > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
