I am biased because I am a beliver in God.
On 23 July, 13:18, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
> In reference to this topic, what way are you biased?
>
> On Jul 23, 6:46 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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>
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> > All in all I sorta agree with the OP here.
>
> > It is my contention that all religion says the same thing, any
> > differance then is the fault of the interpretore, or perhaps the the
> > leaders of the organised church that springs up around the originator
> > of the faith.
>
> > Heh but then I am of course biased.
>
> > On 22 July, 20:15, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > Are you sure you are responding to my post?
>
> > > On Jul 22, 7:14 am, GarrieMushet <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > The only reason you think that other people have interrpretted the
> > > > Qur'an wrongly is because you have compared it you YOUR
> > > > interpretation. And what makes you so sure that YOUR interpretation is
> > > > correct?
>
> > > > Well, first of all, YOUR interpretation is more moral, yes? Well if
> > > > morality is supposed to come FROM the Qur'an, then where is this
> > > > morality that you are using to judge your interpretation OF the
> > > > Qur'an? That's right, somewhere else.
>
> > > > The fact of the matter is that morality is a subjective thing, and so
> > > > is your interpretation of the Qur'an. There are no guidelines that
> > > > come with the Qur'an which tell you how to interpret it. Without such
> > > > guidelines, anything goes. Even if there were guidelines, there would
> > > > be different types of people interpretting the guidelines in different
> > > > ways. This inability to get a 'correct' interpretation of the Qur'an
> > > > makes it a really bad source of morality, and it also makes any
> > > > statement about what the Qur'an is supposed to be about if you
> > > > interpret it 'correctly' are meaningless and void.
>
> > > > The only thing we can say is that religious texts have a far higher
> > > > frequency of violent readers than non-religious books. The conclusion
> > > > I can draw from this is that there is something inherently wrong with
> > > > treating religious texts in the way that people treat them. Part of
> > > > the 'wrong' way we treat is, is the presupposition that there is a
> > > > 'correct' way to interpret it - this just leads to extremists being
> > > > able to justify their extremism, and anybody else being able to
> > > > justify anything else.
>
> > > > On Jul 22, 11:29 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > There have been many wars and attrocities carried out in the name of
> > > > > one religion or another. That should be a big hint to stay away from
> > > > > religion!!! The "holy source" that you refer to is simply another book
> > > > > written by humans. I cannot fathom how anything 'holy' could be found
> > > > > in a book. Yes, the Bible and Qur'an give some good life-lessons. So
> > > > > do a lot of other books. I believe the problem isn't the words of the
> > > > > books, but the very fact that they represent a religion. Religion
> > > > > often breeds fanaticism which consequently leads to many attrocities.
> > > > > If everybody tried to be a concerned and helpful citizen, religion
> > > > > would become less relevant in my opinion.
>
> > > > > On Jul 21, 11:09 pm, ""SeeMaa"" <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > Hi ..
> > > > > > Read this .. Give me your opinion
>
> > > > > > Islam Condemns Terrorism
>
> > > > > > Some people who say they are acting in the name of religion may
> > > > > > misunderstand their religion or practice it wrongly. For this
> > > > > > reason,
> > > > > > it is a mistake to form any idea of that religion from the
> > > > > > activities
> > > > > > of these people. The best way to understand Islam is through its
> > > > > > holy
> > > > > > source.
>
> > > > > > The holy source of Islam is the Qur'an; and the model of morality in
> > > > > > the Qur'an is completely different from the image of it formed in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > minds of some westerners. The Qur'an is based on the concepts of
> > > > > > morality, love, compassion, mercy, modesty, self-sacrifice,
> > > > > > tolerance
> > > > > > and peace, and a Muslim who truly lives according to these moral
> > > > > > precepts is highly refined, thoughtful, tolerant, trustworthy and
> > > > > > accommodating. To those around him he gives love, respect, peace of
> > > > > > mind and a sense of the joy of life.
>
> > > > > > Islam Is A Religion Of Peace And Well-Being
>
> > > > > > The word Islam has the same meaning as "peace" in Arabic. Islam is a
> > > > > > religion that came down to offer humanity a life filled with the
> > > > > > peace
> > > > > > and well-being in which God's eternal mercy and compassion is
> > > > > > manifested in the world. God invites all people to accept the moral
> > > > > > teachings of the Qur'an as a model whereby mercy, compassion,
> > > > > > tolerance and peace may be experienced in the world. In Surat al-
> > > > > > Baqara verse 208, this command is given:
>
> > > > > > You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > the footsteps of Satan. He is an outright enemy to you.
>
> > > > > > As we see in this verse, people will experience well-being and
> > > > > > happiness by living according to the moral teaching of the Qur'an.
>
> > > > > > God Condemns Mischief
>
> > > > > > God has commanded humanity to avoid evil; he has forbidden
> > > > > > immorality,
> > > > > > rebellion, cruelty, aggressiveness, murder and bloodshed. Those who
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > not obey this command of God are walking in the steps of Satan, as
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > says in the verse above, and have adopted an attitude that God has
> > > > > > clearly declared unlawful. Of the many verses that bear on this
> > > > > > subject, here are only two:
>
> > > > > > But as for those who break God's contract after it has been agreed
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > sever what God has commanded to be joined, and cause corruption in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > earth, the curse will be upon them. They will have the Evil Abode.
> > > > > > (Surat ar-Ra'd: 25)
> > > > > > Seek the abode of the hereafter with what God has given you, without
> > > > > > forgetting your portion of the world. And do good as God has been
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > to you. And do not seek to cause mischief on earth. God does not
> > > > > > love
> > > > > > mischief makers.' (Surat al-Qasas: 77)
>
> > > > > > As we can see, God has forbidden every kind of mischievous acts in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > religion of Islam including terrorism and violence, and condemned
> > > > > > those who commit such deeds. A Muslim lends beauty to the world and
> > > > > > improves it.
>
> > > > > > Islam Defends Tolerance And Freedom Of Speech
>
> > > > > > [COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"]Islam is a religion which fosters freedom
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > life, ideas and thought. It has forbidden tension and conflict among
> > > > > > people, calumny, suspicion and even having negative thoughts about
> > > > > > another individual.
>
> > > > > > Islam has not only forbidden terror and violence, but also even the
> > > > > > slightest imposition of any idea on another human being.
>
> > > > > > There is no compulsion in religion. Right guidance has become
> > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > distinct from error. Anyone who rejects false gods and believes in
> > > > > > God
> > > > > > has grasped the Firmest Handhold, which will never give way. God is
> > > > > > All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (Surat al-Baqara: 256)
> > > > > > So remind, you need only to remind. You cannot compel them to
> > > > > > believe.
> > > > > > (Surat al-Ghashiyah: 22)
>
> > > > > > To force anyone to believe in a religion or to practice it, is
> > > > > > against
> > > > > > the spirit and essence of Islam. Because it is necessary that faith
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > accepted with free will and conscience. Of course, Muslims may urge
> > > > > > one another to keep the moral precepts taught in the Qur'an, but
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > never use compulsion. In any case, an individual cannot be induced
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > the practice of religion by either threat or offering him a worldly
> > > > > > privilege.
>
> > > > > > Let us imagine a completely opposite model of society. For example,
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > world in which people are forced by law to practice religion. Such a
> > > > > > model of society is completely contrary to Islam because faith and
> > > > > > worship have value only when they are directed toward God. If there
> > > > > > were a system that forced people to believe and worship, people
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > be religious only out of fear of the system. What is acceptable from
> > > > > > the point of view of religion is that religion be practiced in an
> > > > > > environment where freedom of conscience is permitted, and that it be
> > > > > > practiced only for the approval of God.
>
> > > > > > God Has Made The Killing Of Innocent People Unlawful
>
> > > > > > According to the Qur'an, one of the greatest sins is to kill a human
> > > > > > being who has committed no fault:
>
> > > > > > ...If someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for
> > > > > > someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - it is as if he
> > > > > > had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another
> > > > > > person,
> > > > > > it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to
> > > > > > them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed
> > > > > > outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32)
> > > > > > Those who do not call on any other deity together with God and do
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > kill anyone God has made inviolate, except with the right to do so,
> > > > > > and do not fornicate; anyone who does that will receive an evil
> > > > > > punishment. (Surat al-Furqan: 68)
>
> > > > > > As we can see in the verses above, those who kill innocent human
> > > > > > beings without a cause are threatened with evil punishment. God has
> > > > > > revealed that killing one person is as great a sin as killing all
> > > > > > mankind. Anyone who respected the prerogatives of God would not do
> > > > > > harm to even one individual, let alone murdering thousands of
> > > > > > innocent
> > > > > > people. Those who think
>
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