You just knew I was going to do this, didn't you, Don? :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFFr91atHqE&feature=related
Francis On 22 Jul., 23:54, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > OMG. GMTA. Just saw your post after I posted mine. It was Every > Which Way But Loose with Clint Eastwood. > > dj > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:39 PM, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: > > What was that line out of a famous movie scene? "Right turn Clyde! " > > Allan > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> From another list I'm on...chimps may not be our closest relative after > >> all? > > >> From the Pittsburgh-Tribune Review. Anyone interested in a pdf of the > >> original article please let me know. John Grehan > >> Pitt anthropologist argues humans more like orangutans than chimps > >> A University of Pittsburgh anthropologist argues in a paper published > >> today that humans most likely share a common ancestor with orangutans, and > >> not chimpanzees, which is the prevailing belief. > > >> Jeffrey H. Schwartz hopes the paper will get researchers to practice > >> fundamental science and question some assumptions. > >> "What I'll be happy with is if people actually think out of the box and > >> consider alternative theories of human relationships with apes," Schwartz > >> said Wednesday in a phone interview from Zagreb, Croatia. > > >> He concedes it won't happen overnight, but the paper in the Journal of > >> Biogeography that he co-authored could help, said Schwartz, who's the > >> president of the World Academy of Art and Science. > > >> "We've done the analysis," said John Grehan, who is the paper's other > >> co-author, director of science at the Buffalo Museum in New York and a > >> research associate at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History. > > >> Jeffrey L. Boore, an adjunct biology professor at the University of > >> California-Berkeley who specializes in interpretive genome sequences, said > >> he knows of no strong reason to discount the DNA studies that have > >> demonstrated chimps and gorillas are more closely related to humans than > >> orangutans. > > >> "The overwhelming majority of those studies have given very strong support > >> to excluding orangutans from the human-chimp-gorilla group," said Boore, > >> who's also CEO of Genome Project Solutions, Inc., in Hercules, Calif. > > >> "If people disagree with it, they need to put out their evidence and let > >> it go back and forth," said Grehan, an entomologist who also studies the > >> origin and evolution of animals and plants. "But I think a lot of people > >> are > >> incapable of dealing with it." > > >> That's because for years most of the scientific community accepted DNA > >> analyses that suggest humans are most closely related to chimps, Schwartz > >> and Grehan said. > > >> But an examination of fossil and other evidence shows humans and > >> orangutans share 28 features -- including reproductive systems, tooth > >> structures and mouth palates, the scientists say. > > >> Schwartz and Grehan write in their paper that humans share only two > >> features with chimpanzees and seven with gorillas. > >> "In science, you must integrate the fossil record with the living record," > >> Grehan said. "That's what we've done." > >> They propose a scenario that explains the migration of the human-orangutan > >> common ancestor from Southeast Asia, where modern orangutans are from. > > >> The molecular evidence that scientists commonly cite to demonstrate the > >> link between humans and chimps is flawed, Schwartz said. > > >> "Only 2 percent of the entire human genome can be verified," he said. "But > >> people are saying that chimps and humans share 98 percent of some portion > >> of > >> that 2 percent to make their case." > > >> That's not good science, said Malte Ebach, a paleontologist at Arizona > >> State University's International Institute for Species Exploration, who, > >> like Grehan, studies the origin and evolution of animals and plants. > > >> "People think DNA data is better because they perceive it as > >> technologically superior and more progressive," Ebach said. "But technology > >> doesn't make data better." > > >> Schwartz proposed his human-orangutan theory in 1982. He wrote the book, > >> "The Red Ape: Orangutans and Human Origins," in 1986 that expanded on those > >> ideas. In 2005, Schwartz published and revised an updated version of the > >> book. > > >> The work was ignored as molecular studies came out that showed the > >> similarity between chimps and humans. > >> Grehan said alternative views should not be dismissed when a theory > >> becomes so accepted. > >> During the mid-20th century, scientists so fervently disagreed with > >> Barbara McClintock's theory that genes could move along a chromosome that > >> she stopped publishing, Grehan said. In 1983, McClintock won a Nobel Prize > >> for her research in "jumping genes." > > >> Subscription options and archives available: > >>http://listserv.buffalo.edu/archives/anthro-l.html > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
