The Soviets were apt to write up the bear as a more likely human ancestor and once claimed the dinosaurs went extinct through constipation when a laxative plant they needed died out. The Chinese still teach that they are descended from homo erectus. DNA is somewhat more reliable than this Clyde had a better attitude towards politicians and bureaucrats than we seem to manage. An Uncle Clyde would be useful in my life!
On 23 July, 00:05, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > You just knew I was going to do this, didn't you, Don? :-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFFr91atHqE&feature=related > > Francis > > On 22 Jul., 23:54, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > OMG. GMTA. Just saw your post after I posted mine. It was Every > > Which Way But Loose with Clint Eastwood. > > > dj > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:39 PM, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: > > > What was that line out of a famous movie scene? "Right turn Clyde! " > > > Allan > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Chris Jenkins > > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> From another list I'm on...chimps may not be our closest relative after > > >> all? > > > >> From the Pittsburgh-Tribune Review. Anyone interested in a pdf of the > > >> original article please let me know. John Grehan > > >> Pitt anthropologist argues humans more like orangutans than chimps > > >> A University of Pittsburgh anthropologist argues in a paper published > > >> today that humans most likely share a common ancestor with orangutans, > > >> and > > >> not chimpanzees, which is the prevailing belief. > > > >> Jeffrey H. Schwartz hopes the paper will get researchers to practice > > >> fundamental science and question some assumptions. > > >> "What I'll be happy with is if people actually think out of the box and > > >> consider alternative theories of human relationships with apes," Schwartz > > >> said Wednesday in a phone interview from Zagreb, Croatia. > > > >> He concedes it won't happen overnight, but the paper in the Journal of > > >> Biogeography that he co-authored could help, said Schwartz, who's the > > >> president of the World Academy of Art and Science. > > > >> "We've done the analysis," said John Grehan, who is the paper's other > > >> co-author, director of science at the Buffalo Museum in New York and a > > >> research associate at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History. > > > >> Jeffrey L. Boore, an adjunct biology professor at the University of > > >> California-Berkeley who specializes in interpretive genome sequences, > > >> said > > >> he knows of no strong reason to discount the DNA studies that have > > >> demonstrated chimps and gorillas are more closely related to humans than > > >> orangutans. > > > >> "The overwhelming majority of those studies have given very strong > > >> support > > >> to excluding orangutans from the human-chimp-gorilla group," said Boore, > > >> who's also CEO of Genome Project Solutions, Inc., in Hercules, Calif. > > > >> "If people disagree with it, they need to put out their evidence and let > > >> it go back and forth," said Grehan, an entomologist who also studies the > > >> origin and evolution of animals and plants. "But I think a lot of people > > >> are > > >> incapable of dealing with it." > > > >> That's because for years most of the scientific community accepted DNA > > >> analyses that suggest humans are most closely related to chimps, Schwartz > > >> and Grehan said. > > > >> But an examination of fossil and other evidence shows humans and > > >> orangutans share 28 features -- including reproductive systems, tooth > > >> structures and mouth palates, the scientists say. > > > >> Schwartz and Grehan write in their paper that humans share only two > > >> features with chimpanzees and seven with gorillas. > > >> "In science, you must integrate the fossil record with the living > > >> record," > > >> Grehan said. "That's what we've done." > > >> They propose a scenario that explains the migration of the > > >> human-orangutan > > >> common ancestor from Southeast Asia, where modern orangutans are from. > > > >> The molecular evidence that scientists commonly cite to demonstrate the > > >> link between humans and chimps is flawed, Schwartz said. > > > >> "Only 2 percent of the entire human genome can be verified," he said. > > >> "But > > >> people are saying that chimps and humans share 98 percent of some > > >> portion of > > >> that 2 percent to make their case." > > > >> That's not good science, said Malte Ebach, a paleontologist at Arizona > > >> State University's International Institute for Species Exploration, who, > > >> like Grehan, studies the origin and evolution of animals and plants. > > > >> "People think DNA data is better because they perceive it as > > >> technologically superior and more progressive," Ebach said. "But > > >> technology > > >> doesn't make data better." > > > >> Schwartz proposed his human-orangutan theory in 1982. He wrote the book, > > >> "The Red Ape: Orangutans and Human Origins," in 1986 that expanded on > > >> those > > >> ideas. In 2005, Schwartz published and revised an updated version of the > > >> book. > > > >> The work was ignored as molecular studies came out that showed the > > >> similarity between chimps and humans. > > >> Grehan said alternative views should not be dismissed when a theory > > >> becomes so accepted. > > >> During the mid-20th century, scientists so fervently disagreed with > > >> Barbara McClintock's theory that genes could move along a chromosome that > > >> she stopped publishing, Grehan said. In 1983, McClintock won a Nobel > > >> Prize > > >> for her research in "jumping genes." > > > >> Subscription options and archives available: > > >>http://listserv.buffalo.edu/archives/anthro-l.html > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
