Molly, Slip Disk, What on earth are you talking about? Just conversation, no one out to get ya...........yet......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Molly Brogan" <[email protected]> To: "\"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:11:10 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Are you in control?
that is, indeed, the choice... On Jul 23, 6:07 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > For sure it is the fork in the road for us, but that is why we are not > married and couldn't be locked in a room alone together for more that > an hour and a half unless there was some mutual attraction accompanied > by heavy breathing, however you did point out............ > > >" It seems > > to me that the more we look away from what makes us uncomfortable in > > an effort to control our lives, the more what we find uncomfortable > > comes into our experience in one way or another................mb > > But this is inconsistent with my personal world because my life is > more than comfortable, while the only discomfort comes from the > external. I pay more for gas/food/product and deal with war/pollution/ > usery because the external world continues to act in a way that is > detrimental to the, as you put it "greatest good for all". Dream on > my lovely friend!! > > I have a friend who thinks on your lines and performs, what I perceive > as a perfunctory service, a prison ministry and constantly has to deal > with car theft and vandalism which further leads to home burglary > through the theft of mail she leaves in her car and the only thing I > can think of when talking to her is "what are you trying to do?", > "what are you doing?" and "Start living for your 'self 'and stop > trying to change the idiots in the world". Meanwhile her success > stories are people running around in parking lots handing out 4"x4" > pieces of paper hailing Jesus as their savior while asking for > donations to their cause. In all reality Jesus for them is a "get out > of jail free card" and they know nothing, nothing at all about Jesus, > the Bible, Spirituality or anything relevant to life beyond the > mundane. This place is a joke for me and that is why I'm simply the > voyeur. > > One thing I can say I am not is delusional. > > Just because I am here doesn't mean I have to be part of it. > > On Jul 23, 4:24 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This may very well be the point where we differ, Slip. I do not see > > myself as separate from my shadow, the animal kingdom, you, anyone > > else or any part of the vast experience called living. If I am > > allowing the greatest good for all, I am allowing the greatest good > > for my self, because all facets of my experience are of me, internal > > and external. I don't think that we can barricade ourselves from the > > external or the internal and find a comfortable level of integration, > > although we may find a comfort zone for living for awhile. It seems > > to me that the more we look away from what makes us uncomfortable in > > an effort to control our lives, the more what we find uncomfortable > > comes into our experience in one way or another, usually in ways that > > are out of our control, like a shadow projection. > > > On Jul 23, 5:15 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well Molly, your "allowing the greatest good for all" part seems off > > > my list. My approach appears to be more selfish than that. I > > > expressed a disengagement from the external, not necessarily an > > > indifference but a personal, self imposed division while maintaining a > > > juxtaposition. Further, it is the animal correlation and the many > > > facets of control exhibited by that kingdom. While we represent a > > > distant part of it, we are nonetheless a part and that would have > > > bearing upon your control issue. Your post seems to address Justin > > > and Fran's interpretations and so I didn't see the imbued relevance to > > > my post. Kill two birds with one stone, eh? I also found some > > > significance in the Jung and Nietzsche reference to shadow and self in > > > regards to control. The thread issue is very complex and will not > > > find resolve in any one or several posts as each post may present a > > > new aspect from which to view this perplexing mental characteristic of > > > being in control. > > > Considering further the issue of control, I would have to ask myself > > > if I am really in control or do I focus on the cosmos in order to > > > transfer the control over to some other universal energy that seems to > > > work for me while at the same time thinking that I am in control or > > > controlling a situation, morphing from the controller to the > > > controlled in a metaphysical sense. > > > I think you have started a great thread and also agree with Vam that > > > we should eliminate the puppy dung and ornography and solidify the > > > continuity of posts. These inappropriate and irrelevant intrusions > > > only serve as an impediment to the already difficult path to analysis > > > and perspective of the complex thread topic, they are an obstacle to > > > productive philosophy. > > > As an aside I think that irrelevant posts should simply be removed by > > > the moderation squad before they even get the opportunity to waste our > > > mental energy upon reading them. Why do they even appear? > > > > On Jul 23, 3:21 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I did see your good post, Slip, and found it interesting that we were > > > > creating posts for this thread at about the same time. I thought, > > > > after finishing my post and reading yours, that my comment > > > > "participating in a way that demands our awareness and responses > > > > allowing the greatest good for all. " covered what I would have said > > > > to yours. Was there something else you wanted to delve into? > > > > > On Jul 23, 4:05 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Did you miss my 11:15 post, Molly? > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2:40 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I don't remember anyone implying that anger is a spirit...and Wes, > > > > > > these are nice biblical references, but what is your point in > > > > > > citing > > > > > > them? > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 1:52 pm, Wes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Do we have the power to create our realities? Are we in control? > > > > > > > >What do YOU think? > > > > > > > > 29. Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is a marvel of marvels. (The Gospel of > > > > > > > Thomas)http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html > > > > > > > > If Anger, or Greed, or Nicotine, or things like that are called > > > > > > > spirits, then you could say that these things that control us are > > > > > > > created by us. (Wine and Spirits ~ Alcoholism can take a pretty > > > > > > > heavy > > > > > > > handed control of a person. Prohibition was reversed, and > > > > > > > (Creator- > > > > > > > ed?) a new course for the country/world.) > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 9:29 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we in control of ourselves, our lives, our families, our > > > > > > > > worlds? > > > > > > > > Or are we just aware and knowing what one can do if something > > > > > > > > unpredictable happens? > > > > > > > > There are many explanations for why we do what we do. For > > > > > > > > example, > > > > > > > > Thomas Metzinger's new Book, The Ego Tunnel: The Science of the > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > and the Myth of the Self, seriously questions whether there is > > > > > > > > even an > > > > > > > > "I", let alone a "we." And Douglas Hofstadter's book, I Am a > > > > > > > > Strange > > > > > > > > Loop, contends that the "self" is a recursively > > > > > > > > self-referencing > > > > > > > > memory loop. > > > > > > > > > Hundreds of experiments by Benjamin Libet and others tend to > > > > > > > > conclusively confirm that our brain prepares to execute our > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > before we are even aware that anything is being decided. It > > > > > > > > alerts us > > > > > > > > to our decisions only in time (a split second) for us to veto > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Libet, as well as > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > Libet's book, Mind Time, and Walter J. Freeman's book, How > > > > > > > > Brains Make > > > > > > > > Up Their Minds. > > > > > > > > > It is quite likely that we have no so-called "free will" other > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > veto power over our specific actions. Our free will may consist > > > > > > > > instead of 1) being mindful about any ill-serving subliminal > > > > > > > > intentions and tendencies that inform our actions so that we > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > accordingly prepared to veto any action that they > > > > > > > > correspondingly > > > > > > > > inform, and of 2) programming (or reprogramming) our subliminal > > > > > > > > intentions to be more productive of the experiencing that we > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > desire. > > > > > > > > > Do we have the power to create our realities? 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