Speaking on behalf of American chauvinists, I have to say we don't put much stock in the UN. They're pretty much a laughing stock to us and we resent our tax money being wasted there. The EU, however, was a good idea and is working out perhaps even better then many anticipated. Bravo.
dj On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Vamadevananda<[email protected]> wrote: > > Thorn, I spoke of the European Model, not merely of their welfare > policy and taxation structure ! I see the latter as variables, that > people in different nations may customise. > > What is of abiding interest, to me, is the spirit of cooperation it > naturalises among ( formerly, at times, bitterly sparring ) nations, > and makes it largely acceptable among citizens of diverse cultures in > the many nations constituting the Community Of Nations. > > It is so much more effective at nurturing and fostering the > transnational cooperation than, say, the UN. Perhaps, because the EU > Model is more democratic and representative of the common people > within it. In stark contrast, the UN is only representative of the > Govts in different countries, and that too is inequitous. > > It may be very difficult for the US, and American chauvinists, to > appreciate that the UN ( which the US dominates ) is so lousy in > effect compared to the EU ( which no one in particular overides ). > > > On Jul 26, 6:47 am, Thorn <[email protected]> wrote: >> I must say something about Eurpope leading the way for the poor..now >> they get taxed 50% of their paycheck and this is half of what they >> make so therefore this does keep the poor poor all their life until >> they get aged..and then they get some what of a house or apt...and >> medical ..than for a hip surgery you might get in at two years down >> the line so let me ask you this so God forbid if that is a good >> structure.....the poor should be thankful for that one -instead of >> having more of their paycheck so they can live a better quailty life >> while their younger and their family's.. >> thorn of a rose >> On Jul 24, 11:53 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I 'd agree, Don ! Not just the bomb, there are several very powerful >> > despots / despotic cliques riding their respective proverbial tigers. >> > There are massive armies, much arms and armaments around, quite some >> > with non - state actors, too. Several basic resources are projected >> > to be in short supply. There is this very real danger of present >> > inequities getting far too magnified, eroding belief, respect and >> > committment to ' universal ' values. >> >> > I believe that at some stage, we would not be able to afford power - >> > and money - found competition. Much will depend on whether we are >> > able to live in cooperation, despite differences in power and riches, >> > and national interests. Cooperation at reducing pollution, and global >> > warming, at making appropriate technologies available to poor and >> > developing economies, whatever their capacity to afford, would >> >> > It is in this respect that the European model shows the way. And, EU >> > could do this still better. >> >> > On Jul 24, 11:12 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > Sheesh. I thought I had a swollen head. This guy knows what it's >> > > like to be the smartest person in the room. That said, how in the >> > > world can you speculate about 20 years from now and not even once >> > > mention da BOMB? I'm sure he did it on purpose but why? Assuming >> > > Europe isn't a giant crater by 2030 he may very well be correct. >> > > Socialism will prevent people from improving themselves so our current >> > > super-rich will become richer and not have to worry about competition >> > > from new super-rich folk. Europe's combined GDP has been larger then >> > > the U.S. for several years now and I don't see that changing; ever. I >> > > personally believe even without a nuke going off in a major city his >> > > outlook is entirely too rosy. >> >> > > dj >> >> > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:58 AM, >> > > frantheman<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > This is one vision of a possible world future: >> >> > > >http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,637830,00.html >> >> > > > Any comments? >> >> > > > Francis- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
