I'm afraid this response does not convince me to buy into any part of your previous post, but in regards to your last statement that "positiveness does appear as arrogant" I would again have to disagree. Positiveness presented by a person who is in reality saturated with "peace & Love", is typically warming and empowering to others. If the presentation of the plus side of life seems arrogant, it is probably due to the method in which it was presented, and not necessarily the essence of the message itself. I must say that, so far, I don't agree with your message, or the way you present it, but as you say "oh well" :-)
It often seems that you make "factual" sounding statements that are based on "your" truth. The way you present it is that this "truth" is the common truth for all of humanity. By doing so, you are alienating the people who don't buy your message. Those who do not run and hide will be your cult followers. How is membership enrollment going these days? On Jul 27, 10:22 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > On Jul 27, 4:48 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Are you suggesting God would supply the Sun with some more fuel, just > > before it runs out? Or maybe tug another star in to replace it? ;-] > > No. > > > Why do you say "I believe the god Life force is contained by Earth", > > if humans aren't even contained by Earth? What force is there to > > contain Spirit Energy? I'm just trying to make sense of your words. If > > it isn't gravity, what is it? > > The "god Life force" (don't need the god) is Intelligence, nothing but > energy. > Our mental (spirit?) energy is a product of "Life, here and now". By > that fact it is presently contained by Earth (with the space escapes > becoming more regular we will [if our civilization survives] be able > to "overcome the problem of "Earth is > a doomed planet".") > > > You seem to jump long distances with a single bound so I shall presume > > you are Super Human ;-]. I am not a religion, I don't belong to a > > religion, and I don't "worship" a God. Without attempting to describe > > my concept of "God", I will say that I do not worship something that I > > am part of. I cherish my spiritual feelings and they are neither > > "unknown" or "unknowable". I suggest that you characterize this lack > > of knowledge as your own experience, and not imply that others have no > > such knowledge. > > The leap was not so great in response to this statement; > "A "defined, localized God" again flies in the face of an infinite > energy that has no boundaries, as God's are typically worshipped as." > - deri > That you would "attempt" to describe your concept of this sort of God, > makes the (so called) leap a simple step. > I agree 100% that your spiritual 'Feeling' is very knowable and is in > fact common to all mankind by many different definitions. > > > I do not recall stating that I accept "insignificance" so please > > explain that. Regarding my humanity, I do eat food and release waste > > like most fortunate humans. Yes, it sometimes is a struggle to accept > > my human requirements, but it seems I must while here on this > > planet. ;-] > > The God idea above seems to leave the existence of the 'Human on > Earth' as insignificant. This was my reference. > > > Your statement that "The intelligence relative to Earth is the only > > intelligence that we need to be concerned with" seems rather > > dictatorial. You seem to be stating that what you have determined to > > be necessary, shall be necessary for all. Intelligence plays a > > secondary role in comparison to spiritual enjoyment from my viewpoint, > > and until you have described the parameters of Earth's relative > > intelligence, I really have no idea what you are referring to. > > I hope to have explained some of what I'm referring to so that we may > continue discussion. > > > Re: "I choose to have something identifiable that we can work with". > > You seem to be saying that YOU are choosing something identifiable > > that WE can work with. This statement comes up a bit short in several > > ways. First of all, you have not identified anything that I have been > > able to buy into to date, and secondly, who says that others want to > > "work" with your concoction, or what ever it is that you want to call > > "It"? Also, one doesn't choose "God" like they choose, or are saddled > > with, a religion. Imo, God is an inherent ingredient that some choose > > to ignore, and others choose to enjoy. > > Again I hope to have added some clarity with the above, and will be > very happy to answer any further questions. > > > Without seeming rude, I'd like to suggest that you immerse yourself in > > your "god Force" and glean all of the goodness out of it that you can. > > Maybe then you will not have this rather obvious chip on your shoulder > > that is not very well disguised with your "peace & Love" sign off. > > Don't worry, it's allowed to be rude to me. > I am hooked up tight with the god force of "Life here and now". > I am told that that positiveness does appear as arrogant. > Oh well :-) > > peace & Love > > > > > On Jul 26, 8:38 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No, one should think that God would overcome the problem of "Earth is > > > a doomed planet". > > > > Who said anything was confined by gravity? We fly and go into outer > > > space. > > > > So, you, along with all the religions think that we need an > > > 'unknown' (unknowable) of such awesome aspects that we must worship > > > It. We should accept insignificance and not claim and act as the Human > > > of God that we are? > > > > The molehill is real, Life on Earth. To go reaching out into the > > > cosmos for understanding is creating an unscalable mountain. Whatever > > > is beyond the force of Life on Earth is irrelevant to Us 'here and > > > now'. > > > I choose to have something identifiable that we can work with. > > > > peace & Love > > > > On Jul 26, 5:38 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > If one relates God to Earth, they also should prepare for God to die, > > > > as Earth is a doomed planet. To think that Spirit energy, or God > > > > energy is confined by gravity defeats every theory of God from my > > > > perspective. A "defined, localized God" again flies in the face of an > > > > infinite energy that has no boundaries, as God's are typically > > > > worshipped as. This goal seems to be making a mole hill out of a > > > > mountain? Could you please explain your reasoning? > > > > > On Jul 25, 9:33 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I believe the god Life force is contained by Earth. This is a much > > > > > more knowable and understandable Life force. The religions all end > > > > > with the same unknown because they don't set parameters for > > > > > definition. > > > > > > 1. We need to come to understand the force working on Earth that is > > > > > relative to Live before we go to worrying about things that are not > > > > > relevant to Life on Earth. > > > > > > 2. With a defined, localized God, we can learn about how It works. The > > > > > intelligence relative to Earth is the only intelligence that we need > > > > > to be concerned with. > > > > > > 3. We are of God, God is of us and the power of God is ours. We may > > > > > loose the power of God if we don't recognize it as our common bond. > > > > > > 4. That's what I think. My statements have already upset many people. > > > > > Oh well. > > > > > > 5. peace & Love > > > > > > On Jul 25, 6:29 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everybody: > > > > > > Allow me to say what I think about God > > > > > > > I believe that there is a god life force in the universe, which > > > > > > somehow rules over everything in the universe. This life force is > > > > > > what > > > > > > all religious people are talking about and while they claim and > > > > > > state > > > > > > that they know everything about God, they really know very little > > > > > > about him/her/it. > > > > > > For me: > > > > > > (1) God may even be the whole universe, so we live within God > > > > > > and we > > > > > > are part of God life force. > > > > > > (2) God may just be all the energies in the universe that have > > > > > > crystallized with time and in the end became just like an > > > > > > intelligent > > > > > > entity capable of doing God’s things, like giving life to every > > > > > > living > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > (3) For God to exist, God ought to be willing to please every > > > > > > living > > > > > > thing, if God is going to exist within our minds, otherwise we will > > > > > > forget about God and this immense god life force will be for us > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > (4) What do you think? I hope I don’t upset many people with > > > > > > these > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > (5) Greetings to you all, Manfraco. > > > > > > > On Jul 25, 5:56 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm not sure how much we have evolved, but I know we have adapted. > > > > > > > Our inventiveness makes sure of it. > > > > > > > > On Jul 24, 3:16 pm, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lotro - If by "God" you mean the god of the bible, then I > > > > > > > > disagree. > > > > > > > > Why? First, I view the bible as just a collection of campfire > > > > > > > > stories. > > > > > > > > Second, the god of the bible is awful - for example, he (or > > > > > > > > she) told > > > > > > > > Abraham to take his kid out back and kill him, and to win a bet > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > Job through the agonies of the damned, and put his "only > > > > > > > > begotten son" > > > > > > > > here to die a death of prolonged torture. What rational person > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > choose to believe in such a "God?" Not me. But I do believe > > > > > > > > there is a > > > > > > > > spirit that pervades all and that gives rise to all, maybe just > > > > > > > > because it can. And one of the things it gives rise to is > > > > > > > > rationality > > > > > > > > - the ability to understand that yeilds all of science > > > > > > > > including the > > > > > > > > theory of evolution. Jim > > > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 11:31 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Do not believe humans have revolved from apes of any kind. > > > > > > > > > However, we have evolved. As the earth was formed and has > > > > > > > > > changes throughout the many years, humans have had to evolve > > > > > > > > > in order to survive earth's different climits , etc. Any > > > > > > > > > other wonderful, highly intelligent (ha) humans agree with > > > > > > > > > this conclusion? I believe there is a God. BUT, that doesn't > > > > > > > > > mean there could not have been a big bang, or any other way > > > > > > > > > the earth was formed (as many like to subscribe to.) It does, > > > > > > > > > however, mean that "GOD" could have formed the earth in > > > > > > > > > anyway. Science, evolution and the God theory can still all > > > > > > > > > go together. One must not believe only one or the other, as > > > > > > > > > in Science or God. What do you think?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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