On Jul 28, 6:05 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> To be alive is to own Life, here and now.
This seems to be your mantra. I am all for living in the now, but it
is damn hard. I am sort of a space cadet. Do you offer specific ways
of doing this? (assuming that is what you mean, it is still unclear to
me)
In other words, when I am thinking about something, I am doing it in
the now, but I am not really here. I may or may not be on the cutting
edge of reality, I am certainly not paying attention to the external
world. Is that OK? (it doesn't seem that OK)
Let me give you an example. When I went to Hawaii, I wanted to
"take it in" as much as humanly possible. I really enjoyed it, but I
got the nagging feeling that I was not able to take it in. Not fully.
I spent time "absorbing" it, feeling it, smelling it, wallowing in it
(wallowing is really fun, are you a wallower?)
I don't think I have the proper training in the here and now. What
would be really great is if you could elaborate more. In a language I
can understand. So far, your language is semi-foreign to me
>
> peace & Love
>
> On Jul 28, 12:02 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In the course of the recent discussion here concerning the reposting
> > of Minds Eye contributions in other internet fora, the question of
> > copyright arose. It got me to thinking about the idea of intellectual
> > ownership and the idea of possession in general.
>
> > We have all seen the Westerns in which the Native Americans sold away
> > title to land for nothing, or pittances because the white man's
> > concept of "owning" land was incomprehensible to them. Throughout
> > history, many of those whom we regard as great thinkers have been very
> > critical of the benefits of possessions and owning things. Indeed, a
> > controversy centred on the absolute poverty of Christ raged throughout
> > the medieval Christian Church and completely split the Franciscan
> > movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > Franciscans#Renewed_controversy_on_the_question_of_poverty). In this
> > context, it is perhaps interesting to note that one of the all-time
> > heroes here on Minds Eye, William of Occam, was a proponent of the
> > principle of absolute poverty and lost his job as English Franciscan
> > provincial and was excommunicated as a result.
>
> > Personally I spent almost a decade as a Dominican friar, during which
> > time I took a "vow of poverty." I don't want to go into a discussion
> > on the extent to which Catholic monks actually live according to this
> > vow here, personally, I always found it to be the expression of an
> > attitude of freedom from a dictatorship of "things." It may also have
> > left an indelible mark on me in that in almost a quarter of a century
> > since leaving the order I have been pretty bad at earning,
> > accumulating and retaining material wealth and possessions. During my
> > life I have gone through a number of pretty radical changes, which
> > have often involved leaving nearly everything behind and starting
> > again. Such processes have been, inevitably, traumatic, although not
> > necessarily negative. One of the things that has helped is the fact
> > that I have never felt particularly attached to "things". But maybe my
> > sense of "ownership" is just underdeveloped, or damaged!
>
> > There's a German saying which states that "he who has possessions has
> > worries." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, one of the founders (!) of modern
> > anarchism went farther with his statement that "property is theft."
> > What does it mean to "own" something anyway?
>
> > To use Molly's words: What do you think?
>
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