Hah Chris yes I agree it seems that many of my like mined compatrats get their nickers in a twist and start to loose all concept of reason. Why a belife in a creator God should make this so I don't know, but it is evidant that it does.
On 30 July, 15:21, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem mate is that people use the concept of invisible sky fairies to > wreak havoc in society, education and government. This, and this alone, is > why we atheists must organize, and be active. Otherwise, I could give fook > all, and I'd join a random sky fairy party every month, just for the > cameraderie. > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:01 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes Ian that does help explain a bit. However it is still not clear to > > me the differance in disbelife and absence of belife, which is why > > Iasked for a mundane example. > > > Let me try this one out on you then. > > > I'm reading my paper keeping myself to myself on my morning commute, > > when I notice a bloke reading over my shoulder, when I turn to him he > > brazenly and cheeckily asks me to flip back to the horoscopes page so > > he can check out how his day will goe. > > > I laugh and declare that that I do not accpet his claim that the > > movments of other planets and stars has any bearing on how our day > > will progress. > > > Do I do so from an absence of belife in horoscopes or from a disbelife > > in the concept of them? What in all reality is the differance. > > > Also if no agrument sways me to except the idea of a creator God, but > > at the same time I am unwilling to declare that I belive there exists > > no such thing, then am I not agnostic? > > > On 30 July, 14:43, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Lee, > > > > I'll try my best... > > > > The theist makes a positive assertion about the existence of God. An > > atheist > > > is someone who does not accept the theist's claim; thus they are an > > > "a"-theist. Atheism is therefore only the absence of that theistic > > belief. > > > An atheist does not claim to know that God does not exist, only that the > > > arguments presented in favour, thus far, are insufficient hold such a > > > belief. > > > > Positively asserting that "there is no God" is further than any sensible > > > atheist would go. An "in joke" that demonstrates this very well is the > > > chapter of Richard Dawkin's 'The God Delusion' entitled 'Why There Almost > > > Certainly Is No God'. I could well believe that the nuances of this were > > > lost on some people, but there's no semantic word fuckery going on; this > > is > > > really what atheism is. > > > > What you continually describe, I think, is some form of escalated "strong > > > atheism" or obnoxious forum trolling. I've started to wonder whether this > > > particular kind of atheism only exists on Internet forums to antagonise > > > theists (see Chazwin's posts). In a sensible discussion I don't know any > > > atheist who would support such a position, hence I say your assertions > > about > > > atheism lead you only to a strawman. > > > > Look at the atheists you chat with here Mind's Eye; do I, Chris, Fran, or > > > anyone else, claim "there is no God"? > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
