Heh like I always ask what is weird anyway?
On 30 July, 17:06, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
> I thought I liked weird, but I'm beginning to reconsider ;-]
>
> On Jul 30, 11:59 am, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Athiesm, Xtianity, screw it all, join the Church of the Subgenius:
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> >http://www.subgenius.com/
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> > I'm a minister as well.
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> > On Jul 30, 10:53 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > From my perspective, belief is anchored in a weak foundation. It can
> > > be as unstable as the weather and just as stormy. If one doesn't
> > > believe in what another believes in, it means one of two things, that
> > > one is right and the other wrong (or vice versa), or both are wrong.
> > > This does not create harmony and, in the mind of the fanatic, creates
> > > solid reasons for anger, rebellion and even war. The biased need for
> > > the adherent that their belief is the right one, is fundamental to
> > > their emotional stability, and consequently a cause for them to get
> > > their nickers in a knot if this belief is challenged.
>
> > > On Jul 30, 10:46 am, "[email protected]"
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> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Hah Chris yes I agree it seems that many of my like mined compatrats
> > > > get their nickers in a twist and start to loose all concept of
> > > > reason. Why a belife in a creator God should make this so I don't
> > > > know, but it is evidant that it does.
>
> > > > On 30 July, 15:21, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > The problem mate is that people use the concept of invisible sky
> > > > > fairies to
> > > > > wreak havoc in society, education and government. This, and this
> > > > > alone, is
> > > > > why we atheists must organize, and be active. Otherwise, I could give
> > > > > fook
> > > > > all, and I'd join a random sky fairy party every month, just for the
> > > > > cameraderie.
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> > > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:01 AM, [email protected] <
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> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > Yes Ian that does help explain a bit. However it is still not clear
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > me the differance in disbelife and absence of belife, which is why
> > > > > > Iasked for a mundane example.
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> > > > > > Let me try this one out on you then.
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> > > > > > I'm reading my paper keeping myself to myself on my morning commute,
> > > > > > when I notice a bloke reading over my shoulder, when I turn to him
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > brazenly and cheeckily asks me to flip back to the horoscopes page
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > he can check out how his day will goe.
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> > > > > > I laugh and declare that that I do not accpet his claim that the
> > > > > > movments of other planets and stars has any bearing on how our day
> > > > > > will progress.
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> > > > > > Do I do so from an absence of belife in horoscopes or from a
> > > > > > disbelife
> > > > > > in the concept of them? What in all reality is the differance.
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> > > > > > Also if no agrument sways me to except the idea of a creator God,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > at the same time I am unwilling to declare that I belive there
> > > > > > exists
> > > > > > no such thing, then am I not agnostic?
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> > > > > > On 30 July, 14:43, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Lee,
>
> > > > > > > I'll try my best...
>
> > > > > > > The theist makes a positive assertion about the existence of God.
> > > > > > > An
> > > > > > atheist
> > > > > > > is someone who does not accept the theist's claim; thus they are
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > "a"-theist. Atheism is therefore only the absence of that theistic
> > > > > > belief.
> > > > > > > An atheist does not claim to know that God does not exist, only
> > > > > > > that the
> > > > > > > arguments presented in favour, thus far, are insufficient hold
> > > > > > > such a
> > > > > > > belief.
>
> > > > > > > Positively asserting that "there is no God" is further than any
> > > > > > > sensible
> > > > > > > atheist would go. An "in joke" that demonstrates this very well
> > > > > > > is the
> > > > > > > chapter of Richard Dawkin's 'The God Delusion' entitled 'Why
> > > > > > > There Almost
> > > > > > > Certainly Is No God'. I could well believe that the nuances of
> > > > > > > this were
> > > > > > > lost on some people, but there's no semantic word fuckery going
> > > > > > > on; this
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > really what atheism is.
>
> > > > > > > What you continually describe, I think, is some form of escalated
> > > > > > > "strong
> > > > > > > atheism" or obnoxious forum trolling. I've started to wonder
> > > > > > > whether this
> > > > > > > particular kind of atheism only exists on Internet forums to
> > > > > > > antagonise
> > > > > > > theists (see Chazwin's posts). In a sensible discussion I don't
> > > > > > > know any
> > > > > > > atheist who would support such a position, hence I say your
> > > > > > > assertions
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > atheism lead you only to a strawman.
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> > > > > > > Look at the atheists you chat with here Mind's Eye; do I, Chris,
> > > > > > > Fran, or
> > > > > > > anyone else, claim "there is no God"?
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