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I'm a minister as well. On Jul 30, 10:53 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > From my perspective, belief is anchored in a weak foundation. It can > be as unstable as the weather and just as stormy. If one doesn't > believe in what another believes in, it means one of two things, that > one is right and the other wrong (or vice versa), or both are wrong. > This does not create harmony and, in the mind of the fanatic, creates > solid reasons for anger, rebellion and even war. The biased need for > the adherent that their belief is the right one, is fundamental to > their emotional stability, and consequently a cause for them to get > their nickers in a knot if this belief is challenged. > > On Jul 30, 10:46 am, "[email protected]" > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hah Chris yes I agree it seems that many of my like mined compatrats > > get their nickers in a twist and start to loose all concept of > > reason. Why a belife in a creator God should make this so I don't > > know, but it is evidant that it does. > > > On 30 July, 15:21, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The problem mate is that people use the concept of invisible sky fairies > > > to > > > wreak havoc in society, education and government. This, and this alone, is > > > why we atheists must organize, and be active. Otherwise, I could give fook > > > all, and I'd join a random sky fairy party every month, just for the > > > cameraderie. > > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:01 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes Ian that does help explain a bit. However it is still not clear to > > > > me the differance in disbelife and absence of belife, which is why > > > > Iasked for a mundane example. > > > > > Let me try this one out on you then. > > > > > I'm reading my paper keeping myself to myself on my morning commute, > > > > when I notice a bloke reading over my shoulder, when I turn to him he > > > > brazenly and cheeckily asks me to flip back to the horoscopes page so > > > > he can check out how his day will goe. > > > > > I laugh and declare that that I do not accpet his claim that the > > > > movments of other planets and stars has any bearing on how our day > > > > will progress. > > > > > Do I do so from an absence of belife in horoscopes or from a disbelife > > > > in the concept of them? What in all reality is the differance. > > > > > Also if no agrument sways me to except the idea of a creator God, but > > > > at the same time I am unwilling to declare that I belive there exists > > > > no such thing, then am I not agnostic? > > > > > On 30 July, 14:43, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Lee, > > > > > > I'll try my best... > > > > > > The theist makes a positive assertion about the existence of God. An > > > > atheist > > > > > is someone who does not accept the theist's claim; thus they are an > > > > > "a"-theist. Atheism is therefore only the absence of that theistic > > > > belief. > > > > > An atheist does not claim to know that God does not exist, only that > > > > > the > > > > > arguments presented in favour, thus far, are insufficient hold such a > > > > > belief. > > > > > > Positively asserting that "there is no God" is further than any > > > > > sensible > > > > > atheist would go. An "in joke" that demonstrates this very well is the > > > > > chapter of Richard Dawkin's 'The God Delusion' entitled 'Why There > > > > > Almost > > > > > Certainly Is No God'. I could well believe that the nuances of this > > > > > were > > > > > lost on some people, but there's no semantic word fuckery going on; > > > > > this > > > > is > > > > > really what atheism is. > > > > > > What you continually describe, I think, is some form of escalated > > > > > "strong > > > > > atheism" or obnoxious forum trolling. I've started to wonder whether > > > > > this > > > > > particular kind of atheism only exists on Internet forums to > > > > > antagonise > > > > > theists (see Chazwin's posts). In a sensible discussion I don't know > > > > > any > > > > > atheist who would support such a position, hence I say your assertions > > > > about > > > > > atheism lead you only to a strawman. > > > > > > Look at the atheists you chat with here Mind's Eye; do I, Chris, > > > > > Fran, or > > > > > anyone else, claim "there is no God"? > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
