On Jul 31, 7:33 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> " But a true omni god would not require *any* of that, the way I look
> at it. It knows everything, understands everything, so there is no
> need whatsoever. A true onmi-god does not have an ego that needs to be
> stroked by its own creations (which is the most hilarious concept I
> can think of) "
>
> The question is : How do you know all that you say about this " omni
> god ?" Clearly, you are thinking, surmising.
Is that a compliment? The first I have received. OK, here is the
argument "condensed"
God is omnipotent
Therefore god knows everything
God certainly knows everything about me, he DESIGNED me
God , having designed me, is not surprised by ANYTHING that I do
God cannot be surprised by anything, otherwise god does not know
everything
If god knows everything I may or may not do, then nothing is required
of me, he already knows
He is not expecting anything but what he designed me to do, and he
knows for a fact exactly what I will do
He certainly would not *require* me to do anything not designed in,
nor get any gratification of any kind from me doing what was designed
in
(please address any of these premises individually, should you not
agree with them. Or, should you not agree with the lineage of this
logic, please point that out)
> The whole point is that the omni god may not require, have no need,
> does not have ... but YOU have an ego, and hence have the need and
> would require to " praise " God
Not if I understand god in the terms that I described above
>( along lines that Lee explains of
> Sikhi ). The idea is to fill oneself with the thought of God the
> Creator, to the extent of subsuming oneself in IT. To use Sri
> Aurobindo's expression, you prepare your within and invite God to take
> YOU over.
That was designed in already. Everything I am was supposedly
designed. There should be no need for me to do that. Yes, if I am
out of synch, I should try to get back in synch myself, but that too
would have been designed in, no surprise to god, he knows I am going
to go through everything I will go through, done deal, let it play
out.
> The whole idea however clashes with what we are used to having of
> ourself. So, actually, it is suggested that one take to the path only
> under a guide or advisor. Perhaps, hence the need of Sadh Sangat
> ( holy men ).
Why? God designed me and my brain. Yes, I have what I consider "free
will" but god knows the whole story. God is not wondering or hoping
what I will do, god knows what I will do. There is no need for
artificial "intervention" There is no need for men to try and "fix"
me. I am designed by god. Aren't you?
> An unguided attempt may actually harm the novice, or may at best lead
> him into the wilderness of fruitlessness.
Well god is a terrible designer then.
> Just shared what I know.
I just share what I think. I don't "know" a damn thing.
> On Aug 1, 1:44 am, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Jul 31, 11:53 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > I believe it to be a human trait to honor those before us and those
> > > who brought us into the world, such as parental figures and
> > > grandparents.
>
> > OK, I can see that, but mine didn't expect "praise" they only
> > required respect. Not the bow down kind, just the "quit being a
> > smartass" kind (which didn't exactly "take" did it) and perhaps
> > "thanks" which I certainly can understand. But a true omni god would
> > not require *any* of that, the way I look at it. It knows
> > everything, understands everything, so there is no need whatsoever.
> > A true onmi-god does not have an ego that needs to be stroked by its
> > own creations (which is the most hilarious concept I can think of)
>
> > >I just don't get all the fear mongering based on belief
>
> > > and disbelief, being saved and the threat of destruction and torture
> > > in the abyss of some hell.
>
> > That part seems like a "control" thing to me, but that is just the
> > way I interpret it.
>
> > > On Jul 31, 12:52 pm, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 31, 9:37 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
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> > > > > Yeah exactly, I see prayer as no more than singing the praises of the
> > > > > creator, that and only that.
>
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