Along with adjacent farm fields! :-) The railroads had enormous legal and property rights in America- some still do.
On Aug 5, 3:07�am, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: > Archytas - having a background in inventions and patented things, I > came across the origin of "the real McCoy" expression some years ago. > It seems that shortly after railroads began they were having a problem > with the rail car axle bearings overheating. They had to oil them at > each stop, but sometimes they'd go too far and a bearing would > overheat to the point that it set the car on fire. A fellow, McCoy, > came up with a way to automatically lubricate the bearings, and it > worked great. Others tried different ways, but they didn't work as > well, so railroad people insisted on "the real McCoy." The expression > grew popular and was applied to many other situations. Jim > > On Jul 29, 7:27�am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm an ugly bustard Molly, but I get told my breakfasts are cute. �The > > good news is that we may well soon be able to overload ourselves with > > the excellent fodder and not get fat by taking citrus-based extract in > > overload too. �They already have it working for mice and rats. �Men of > > conscience like Francis will still not be able to indulge of course, > > on various grounds from the Earth's starving poor to global warming. > > Back on target, I have never posted anything ever written in this blog > > by anyone else anywhere else. �I wait for the day I see enough sense > > in any of it to bother passing it on. �Part of my novel is based on > > someone else's ramblings in a group, and sooner or later Craig will > > make money from someone challenging on such grounds. �I saw the phrase > > 'the real McCoy' being linked to whisky imports from Scotland during > > the speakeasy days last week, but surely there are earlier versions of > > this one. �Originality surely has more dubious origins than a page in > > a google thread! > > > On 28 July, 13:29, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well if you want to, it is on the menu at the Nine Fine Irishmen in > > > the hotel New York, New York, Las Vegas. �A fine Italian served it to > > > me but he was cute so I didn't quibble. > > > > On Jul 28, 3:02�am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Actually the best one I had was deep fried dill pickles, �had it in a > > > > little > > > > restaurant in Bannak Mt at robbers roost. It was when my wife and I > > > > went to > > > > see my kids on vacation. > > > > It was different and it had a different taste. Would I have it again? > > > > �not > > > > sure. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > He may just opt to join us in a fried Mars Bar. > > > > > > On Jul 27, 11:52 am, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Molly - US copyright law says that the act of fixing your expression > > > > > > in a tangible medium invokes copyright protection. Nothing more need > > > > > > be done for the author to own the copyright in the expression. Thus, > > > > > > posting a comment on Minds Eye results in the writer owning a > > > > > > copyright in the posted text. Of course, there is also fair use, > > > > > > about > > > > > > which I've written you earlier. I'm interested in what Google's > > > > > > counsel says about all this. Jim > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 6:11 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Molly, > > > > > > > > As far as I know, posting something to the group doesn't > > > > > > > automatically > > > > > > > enshrine it in copyright law. In my experience, some other kind of > > > > > action > > > > > > > would usually be needed. I don't know this for sure with regards > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > Internet, however. Outside of my expertise. > > > > > > > > As I've said, it's your responsibility to make the decision. > > > > > > > > There may be a complication, however. Given that your blog is > > > > > > > Google > > > > > > > Adsense-enabled and carries Amazon AWS advertising -- and hence > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > profiting from content you did not write -- I think Vam and > > > > > > > Fran's talk > > > > > of > > > > > > > wanting to see some kind of return for their contributions may > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > addressing, no? :) > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > 2009/7/27 Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > For clarity, can you site us some copyright law that tells us > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > that as soon as we post something in this group (no matter what > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > we are posting under, and whether or not we have a legitimate > > > > > > > > profile > > > > > > > > to match it) we own a copyright to it without actually applying > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > copyright with the office of the country of our citizenship? > > > > > > > > �This > > > > > > > > would certainly be of interest to me and go a long way in > > > > > > > > clarifying > > > > > > > > the concerns we are all voicing now. �Last I checked, copyright > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > something you applied for and were awarded after (in the US) > > > > > > > > paying > > > > > > > > for the privilege. �There is, on the internet, creative commons > > > > > > > > copyright, but as that is not in use here, it does not apply. > > > > > > > > > Do you think that googles terms and conditions were referring to > > > > > > > > material that may actually have a copyright? �This is probably > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > case, and reminds me that I should be listing the copyright > > > > > > > > info when > > > > > > > > I post things from my books in these groups. �But it doesn't > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > matter anyway, because copyrights only come in handy if I can > > > > > > > > prove > > > > > in > > > > > > > > court that I obtained mine at a date prior to the publication > > > > > > > > of my > > > > > > > > material under someone else's name, in which case, I might be > > > > > > > > awarded > > > > > > > > damages if someone made money using my work as theirs. > > > > > > > > > It is all only points of interest. �Going forward, I will only > > > > > > > > use > > > > > the > > > > > > > > posts from Minds Eye from folks who have given permission, and > > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > > said, this won't really change things much. Each post is > > > > > > > > accredited > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the author under their fictitious name or, if I can ascertain > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > their given name on my blog. I do this because I believe that > > > > > > > > we are > > > > > > > > all adults and prefer to use adult names. �I'm glad to clear > > > > > > > > things > > > > > up > > > > > > > > and hope for further clarification on the copyright issues. > > > > > > > > > The issue of how far we need to go to control our words has > > > > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > become an interesting topic. �Neil's image of perusing the > > > > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > for info on Darwin to formulate a response to the Darwin thread > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > poignant. �How many original ideas do we have? �How deeply do > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > writers words effect us on levels that we don't recognize as our > > > > > words > > > > > > > > are coming out of us? �In my opinion, it isn't the words, but > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > logos that moves between us as we are exchanging the words that > > > > > > > > expands our awareness. �Therein is the true treasure. �Can we > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > control that on the internet and why would we want to? �I think > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > more we try to hold on to control in these ways, the smaller our > > > > > world > > > > > > > > becomes. �There are lots of groups on the internet. �This one is > > > > > great > > > > > > > > because of the level of exchange between members. �The internet > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > great because it gives us immediate access to information and > > > > > > > > ideas. > > > > > > > > It expands our world - in direct proportion to how we allow. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 5:55 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Google's terms and conditions are clear: you may not reproduce > > > > > posts > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > permission of the copyright holder (the author of the post). > > > > > Legally > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is no discussion to be had on this point; neither in public > > > > > > > > > nor > > > > > private. > > > > > > > > > Philosophically, as Francis has alluded to, there's probably > > > > > > > > > quite > > > > > a lot > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > discuss. > > > > > > > > > > Where there is a legal discussion is on what the moderators do > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > fact that one of us has previously given Molly permission to > > > > > reproduce > > > > > > > > posts > > > > > > > > > made to Mind's Eye on her blog. The question is what we do > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > this > > > > > > > > (given > > > > > > > > > that this permission was apparently not ours to give). This > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > relates to the indemnity of the Moderators and has nothing to > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > actual group. Ultimately Molly may choose to carry on > > > > > > > > > reproducing > > > > > posts > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > her blog, but, in my opinion, the Moderators should not be > > > > > complicit in > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > As a writer I value the protection of copyright laws, even if > > > > > others do > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > �) > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
