*presents you a mirror* On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:26 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote:
> > Molly, even though I voted ‘no’ on inviting you to be a mod a day or > two ago, I now change my mind and would welcome you with open arms. > > I have found, all along, (three years longer than you) that at least > two of the mods do use the styles you attribute to them. This is as it > is…and they have supported using their styles of ‘debate’ based upon a > very limited part of the spectrum of what it is to be a human being. > > A person who uses the razor as a measuring device will conclude issues > in a two sided way. The same goes for using some arbitrary set of > debate tactics. While they have a function, doing so exclusively > results in a poorer group let alone a poorer humanity. Ockham, when > turned upon itself becomes pointless. > > A while ago I was asked by a mod to rewrite the standards here since I > disagree with some of them. I now invite you to help in that process. > > To quote our current president, "We can do better!". > > orn > > On Aug 5, 12:46 pm, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have previously been chastised for what I considered rather mild > > responses to rude or abusive posters, yet those who suggested I tone > > it down a bit seem to do the same thing I am being accused of. IMO, > > what is good for the goose is good for the gander. To be totally > > honest, I have not read the rules as I have no intention of being so > > far out of line that I have the slightest chance of breaking them. > > > > I was not asking anyone to respect an idea, but to debate it rather > > than attempt to debunk it. It seems that several other posters here do > > not share your views on this subject, so by stating catagorically that > > what Molly was suggesting is outrageous, and not to be tolerated, is > > not only impacting Molly, but others who agree with her, and may > > decide not to post their thoughts on the subject for fear of > > ridicule. > > > > There are two basic methods of getting ones point across. One hurts > > and the other doesn't. In one, the responder says "You are wrong. That > > is total BS" and that either ends the debate, or brings dissention > > into it. In the other, the responder says "Interesting, but I don't > > see it that way and this is why...", after which a meaningful and non- > > hurtful debate can ensue. > > > > Many of the posters here do not know the history of ancient > > conversations that have transpired in the past, so statements that are > > inclusive of events that happened before we came do not add anything > > constructive for newbies, and may in fact alienate them. > > > > On Aug 5, 3:09 pm, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Molly / Deripsni, > > > > > I believe that human ideas should be challenged vigorously and > thoroughly > > > and without restriction. An appeal to "respect" when it comes to an > idea is > > > something like a nuclear device that causes instant stalemate. It's a > demand > > > for a shield around something that, in and of itself, warrants no such > > > thing. This style of debate is unproductive and dishonest. > > > > > With the above in mind, I will continue to respect the rules of Mind's > Eye > > > (which I largely wrote) and post in the same style I have for the last > 5 > > > years. If you think I am breaking the rules or going against the spirit > of > > > them, contact another moderator and let them know your concerns. > > > > > Molly, the moderators must represent a breadth of views and opinion > > > (including mine). If you want to throw your hat into the ring, please > go > > > ahead and we'll discuss it. > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
