2009/8/11 Vamadevananda <[email protected]>
>
> " Have you paused for a moment to consider that the lack of
> understanding is yours, Vam ?"
>
> This too is a personal observation, irrelevant to the matter being
> discussed !
With respect, Vam, it was you who were asking why atheists could not
understand. I was only suggesting -- as another way of looking at things --
that perhaps they *do* understand and you do not. It's not a personal
attack, I assure you, and I hope you'd do me the courtesy of pointing out
when I make such an assumption.
" Remember, some of us were theists before and have walked up the path
> you're on and found it's a dead-end."
>
> You have no idea of the path I'm on, Ian !
My statement was only meant to illustrate that a number of your statements
operate from a basis of assumed knowledge ("why don't they understand!"),
which I contend is built on an assumption you are incorrect to make. I don't
know what path you're on -- even if I have an idea of the gate you've opened
-- but that's why I'm here. If I wasn't interested in listening and sharing
ideas, I wouldn't engage with you.
> The identity as One, Unit, Whole, is not easy to realise. Not because
> it is difficult, but because it goes against our learnt habits and
> perceived dividends that consume our will for identity with Whole.
This idea you have -- which is "not easy" but at the same time "isn't
difficult" -- is apparently unprovable, indemonstrable, offers no "perceived
dividends", and goes against established logic? I think I need a little more
convincing, Vam. I'm not closed to the concept of a single unifying theory,
and I'd sort of like there to be one to tie up a few loose-ends, but when
you put such a thing into these terms it's very hard to know how to proceed.
> This is understandable value I am speaking of. The realisation, and
> the experience, of that identity goes beyond mere understanding !
It's an "understandable value" that is "beyond mere understanding"?
Ian
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