:-)
On Aug 18, 12:30 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 18 Aug, 15:53, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I think so. Would you mind changing your deoderant? ;-]
>
> LOL!! It's only SOME of my ideas that you might think stink, rather
> than me, myself. ;-) BO hasn't, yet, become a problem for Internet
> forums. When they come out with Google Smell-o-Groups, I'll be very
> wary, indeed!!
>
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 10:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On 18 Aug, 15:03, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > HARRINGTON?!? You don't just walk into a room after playing Castaway
> > > > for 20
> > > > years, mate! Welcome back!
>
> > > I suppose that's another myth busted, then. That's another one
> > > of those 'hidden' truths of a space-time continuum. Once you know
> > > something exists, you can infer that it always did. I.e., once I was
> > > here, I was ALWAYS here. ;-)
>
> > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Pat <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 11 Aug, 11:48, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > One dimension of the perennial debate between Theists and Atheists,
> > > > > > Spiritualists and Materialists, has been of the kind :
>
> > > > > > There is spirit. Where is the spirit ?
>
> > > > > > There is God. Where is God ?
>
> > > > > > There is One, Whole, Unity. Where is One, Whole, Unity ?
>
> > > > > > Now, dialectically, the discussion goes far but nowhere. So, let me
> > > > > > place the issue in a familiar context that may perhaps express the
> > > > > > separation and the connection between these two poles. Here it goes
> > > > > > :
>
> > > > > > My Father and I are one. >>> Unity
>
> > > > > > I am the Way. >>> Connection
>
> > > > > > I know not ; only my Father knows. >>> Separation
>
> > > > > > These may not exactly be his quotes but they are what Christ seems
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > have expressed at some point of time or other. What they reveal, if
> > > > > > indeed they do, is that all three exist, are there within us, in the
> > > > > > way we are, know, think, believe, feel, and look upon upon others
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > themselves.
>
> > > > > > So, why are the Materialists or Atheists saying they alone are
> > > > > > valid,
> > > > > > true, correct and, by implication and their crusade, have the sole
> > > > > > right to exist or occupy the thought and knowledge space in human
> > > > > > minds ?
>
> > > > > > Or, is their crusade merely reactive, historically speaking, against
> > > > > > the ( highly unreasonable and destructive ) religious crusades and
> > > > > > millenia - long ( unreasonably subjugatory ) proselytation efforts
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > ( mono ) theists ?
>
> > > > > > Why can't the theists realise that atheism is inevitable and
> > > > > > atheists
> > > > > > see the Whole, the Unity, as Universe surely is, even though it is
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > parts that are apparent to us ?
>
> > > > > > What prevents the understanding, even among people who are so well
> > > > > > informed, read, educated, and intellectually endowed ?
>
> > > > > What prevents the understanding is a common platform/language in which
> > > > > to discuss the issues. For example: Science has no problem with the
> > > > > concept that energy is neither created nor destroyed; however, they
> > > > > balk at the concept that God is neither created nor destroyed. If God
> > > > > is an entity comprised of that energy, the two seemingly differing
> > > > > concepts merge into a greater view that encompasses them both.
> > > > > Somehow, we (as humans) need to get to that 'bigger picture' where we
> > > > > can see the forests and the trees (and the leaves on the trees and the
> > > > > chlorophyll in the leaves, etc.)
> > > > > What bothers me is that, since Einstein's concepts of space-time have
> > > > > been fairly well accepted as valid, the philosophical implications of
> > > > > space-time have been completely ignored. In so doing, humanity hides
> > > > > its head under the blanket and refuses to believe what we know to be
> > > > > true because it 'upsets' us (either personally or in groups/
> > > > > institutions). We're fooling ourselves by refusing to accept the
> > > > > truth (the other way of fooling ourselves is to believe what isn't
> > > > > true). When will we, as a species, face the facts as we know them?
> > > > > Of course, I understand that 'Law' as we know it, would fall by the
> > > > > wayside if we accept that there is no free will (a 'truth' of space-
> > > > > time), but it is, nevertheless worth a rethink. We would need to
> > > > > understand that, once something HAS happened, that it HAD to be that
> > > > > way--however nasty WE might think it was. That doesn't give people
> > > > > any more license than they already have (as the laws of physics allow
> > > > > for murder, theft, and any other offense)--but we have to understand
> > > > > that:
> > > > > 1) In a universe that exists as a space-time continuum, ALL things/
> > > > > events that occur within it are necessary and they are EQUALLY
> > > > > necessary. That means that, if something exists, the universe has
> > > > > deigned that it is required. So all the homeless people are JUST AS
> > > > > IMPORTANT and VITAL to the whole as the world leaders and CEOs. Their
> > > > > existence is proof positive.
> > > > > With an understanding of that, we should be willing to take onto
> > > > > ourselves a moral understanding to help one another to be the best
> > > > > individual that any individual can be. But our society ignores people
> > > > > and doesn't REALLY attempt to foster the best out of us, nor does it
> > > > > have much of a safety net to catch those who tend to stray.
> > > > > 2) In a universe where there is only one thing that truly exists
> > > > > (the whole), harming another is, essentially, self harm and is not as
> > > > > beneficial to the whole as it could be. We, as a people, need to be
> > > > > FAR more empathetic towards one another and foster and aide whenever
> > > > > and wherever we can. For example, we view ourselves as indivduals
> > > > > when, in truth, science shows us that we are, in fact, a conglomerate
> > > > > of tiny individuals (cells) of varying types all working together to
> > > > > create the macroscopic illusion of a greater being. Society is the
> > > > > same and, in our society, we 'individuals' are like the cells to the
> > > > > society. But, unfortunately, without empathy to form the lasting
> > > > > bonds between us, we fight one another as if we were all immune cells
> > > > > and everyone else is a malignant cancer cell. This is because we have
> > > > > no REAL understanding of ourselves nor our place in the universe.
> > > > > Don't worry, on that last one...I'm working on it!! ;-)- Hide
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