Well Pat the scientist in me is screaming that even those universal
constants did not start out that way, umm constant I mean!

On 24 Aug, 13:22, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 24 Aug, 12:51, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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> > > So, let me get this straight.  You have a philosophy that, in
> > > philosophy, absolute truths are impossible.  How do you get past the
> > > dichotomy of having such a contradictory absoloute truth in your
> > > philosophy?  Alternatively, if you back off from the statement and say
> > > that your statement above is only a relative truth, it, then,
> > > logically allows for absolute truths to exist and {that they could} be
> > > duly ignored by you.  Tricky stuff, Ian.  Personally, I don't think
> > > you've stated your whole case, here.
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> > Heh I think Pat that if you do not belive in a creator God then Ian's
> > strance is going to be the best you will get.
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> > Many of Ian's ilke may well (and justified too I believe) accuse
> > people like you and I of being philosophicly lazy, that we practice a
> > kind of philosphy of the gaps, that we do not like to work out the
> > hard question of the absolute and so we call it God and have done with
> > it.  I don't think it is an acusation that we can easily defend
> > against, do you?
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>    I think I've been fairly diligent in my attempts to discover the
> truth about the One (not that I'm finished, yet!!).  In order to
> defend against the rallying cry of those who offer no comprehensive
> alternative, one must proceed from the point of ontology.  Once we've
> determined what it is that exists, THEN we can look at what it can do
> and how it does it.  The answer to all the 'why' questions to which
> atheists would have you believe there are no reasonable answers,
> leaves them only a pool of 'unreasonable answers' from which to choose
> and futher blocks progress.
>    One of the main arguments against God is that atheists see no
> evidence that the universe is teleological, i.e., that it is heading
> in a particular direction with goals at the end.  They overlook the
> FACT that we exist in a space-time continuum.  The continuum contains
> ALL the past, present and future; that is, the ends are already
> defined (as is all the middle).  If the ends are already defined, then
> the universe is, most definitely teleological, and the stumbling block
> (of no teleology) crumbles into dust before the weight of one stone
> (Einstein).
>    My main point was that it should be obvious that some absolute
> truths exist.  Some of these may not be particularly useful until one
> extends them.  Einstein looked for truth and found special (and
> general) relativity.  Absolute truths are, usually, things like
> physical constants.  But it is how those truths work together and
> allow for the relativity in between that muddies the water and makes
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