Considering that the future is still a blank in the continuum,
couldn't I paint the picture that I want to appear fixed within the
past?    We can change the past by creating the past in the future.  I
can decide today what I want my past to be by deciding what I am going
to do this afternoon, which by tonight will be the past.  When I click
send, this post will become the past, but of course I can change it
before I click.

On Aug 24, 10:37 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 24 Aug, 15:53, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > 2009/8/24 Pat <[email protected]>
>
> > >   One of the main arguments against God is that atheists see no
> > > evidence that the universe is teleological, i.e., that it is heading
> > > in a particular direction with goals at the end.  They overlook the
> > > FACT that we exist in a space-time continuum.  The continuum contains
> > > ALL the past, present and future; that is, the ends are already
> > > defined (as is all the middle).  If the ends are already defined, then
> > > the universe is, most definitely teleological, and the stumbling block
> > > (of no teleology) crumbles into dust before the weight of one stone
> > > (Einstein).
>
> > Assuming a continuum, why do you think a future there contained is anything
> > other than a perfectly indeterminate, fluctuating, and malleable one?
>
> > Ian
>
>    That's easy!!  Because I would expect it to be like every other
> part of the continuum.  I.e., as fixed as is the past.  Now, if you
> and I can somehow figure out how to change the past (NOT just writing
> an historical yet false account), then I'll be more open to a mutable
> future.  I can't see ANY basis for thinking that the continuum works
> differently in some parts than it does in others; it's a continuum--
> the rules for it always apply.  On the opposite side of that question:
> what makes you think that there would be a difference between the way
> the future works and the way the past works?  I can see absolutely no
> basis for it; but, of course, I can't see everything.  ;-)
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