“…The US electorate decided in 2002, 2004 and 2006 not to give them practical majorities…” – fran
Well, it might appear to be the case to many fran. And, knowing that voting fraud is as old as voting is, I still will provide one list of issues when it comes to the black box. http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/1954.html Here is another. I no longer wear rose colored glasses when it comes to the veracity of vote tallies. http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/8/8.html For those who care about election results and wish to get any sleep at night, do NOT read any of the above! And, as to the current topic, yes, it does appear that there are those who carry the belief that the ends justify the means. On Aug 30, 10:43 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > On 30 Aug., 17:51, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes, you have good points except that Guantanamo went on for seven > > years. There was plenty of outrage, yet It is still not over. > > I'll just quickly take up one point here. Yes, the USA needed 7 years > to tackle the Guantanamo question. In this period there were two mid- > term elections and two presidential elections - only after the last of > these did things finally start to move. The basic "facts" pertaining > to Guantanamo were generally known from the beginning. There were also > figures who presented themselves (more or less) as alternatives to > Bush's politics and measures. The US electorate decided in 2002, 2004 > and 2006 not to give them practical majorities. Like it or not, those > of us living in systems which organise themselves according to the > principle of representative democracy have to accept election results > (as long as they are generally regarded as being fair). The > unfortunate fact is that, despite the question of legitimacy regarding > Bush's first term (I'll leave it to Chris to educate us in the > peculiarities of Florida election procedures, should he wish), the > majority of those who voted in November 2004 in the USA gave Dubya a > second term. Confused, misled, lied-to, foxxed as the electorate may > have partly been, the majority of US Americans who bothered to vote > chose to ignore the alternative views being presented and confirmed > Bush, his regime and his policies for a second term. > > It took so long, because it took so long for the majority of voters in > the US to finally look at what was really going on. But, seen in a > purely US context, that was as much the responsibility of "us" (the > voting electorate, who gave Bush a continued mandate) as it was of > "them" (the politicians who carried on doing what they were doing). > Try as we may, we cannot abdicate responsibilities - or pass them on, > like a blank cheque, to someone else. > > "If we have this power you speak of, why do these things not only > > > occur, but carry on for years and years?" > > Because it often takes that long for us to realise our > responsibilities and do something about them, that's why. > > Francis --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
