We get the system(s) we have allowed to exist so we are part of the problem.
On Aug 30, 11:37 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > “…The US electorate decided in 2002, 2004 and 2006 not to give them > practical majorities…” – fran > > Well, it might appear to be the case to many fran. And, knowing that > voting fraud is as old as voting is, I still will provide one list of > issues when it comes to the black box. > > http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/1954.html > > Here is another. I no longer wear rose colored glasses when it comes > to the veracity of vote tallies. > > http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/8/8.html > > For those who care about election results and wish to get any sleep at > night, do NOT read any of the above! > > And, as to the current topic, yes, it does appear that there are those > who carry the belief that the ends justify the means. > > On Aug 30, 10:43 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 30 Aug., 17:51, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yes, you have good points except that Guantanamo went on for seven > > > years. There was plenty of outrage, yet It is still not over. > > > I'll just quickly take up one point here. Yes, the USA needed 7 years > > to tackle the Guantanamo question. In this period there were two mid- > > term elections and two presidential elections - only after the last of > > these did things finally start to move. The basic "facts" pertaining > > to Guantanamo were generally known from the beginning. There were also > > figures who presented themselves (more or less) as alternatives to > > Bush's politics and measures. The US electorate decided in 2002, 2004 > > and 2006 not to give them practical majorities. Like it or not, those > > of us living in systems which organise themselves according to the > > principle of representative democracy have to accept election results > > (as long as they are generally regarded as being fair). The > > unfortunate fact is that, despite the question of legitimacy regarding > > Bush's first term (I'll leave it to Chris to educate us in the > > peculiarities of Florida election procedures, should he wish), the > > majority of those who voted in November 2004 in the USA gave Dubya a > > second term. Confused, misled, lied-to, foxxed as the electorate may > > have partly been, the majority of US Americans who bothered to vote > > chose to ignore the alternative views being presented and confirmed > > Bush, his regime and his policies for a second term. > > > It took so long, because it took so long for the majority of voters in > > the US to finally look at what was really going on. But, seen in a > > purely US context, that was as much the responsibility of "us" (the > > voting electorate, who gave Bush a continued mandate) as it was of > > "them" (the politicians who carried on doing what they were doing). > > Try as we may, we cannot abdicate responsibilities - or pass them on, > > like a blank cheque, to someone else. > > > "If we have this power you speak of, why do these things not only > > > > occur, but carry on for years and years?" > > > Because it often takes that long for us to realise our > > responsibilities and do something about them, that's why. > > > Francis- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
