I'm in the middle of HHDL's book, "The Art of Happiness". If anyone is
serious about the topic, I strongly recommend it.

http://www.theartofhappiness.com/


On Sep 1, 8:53 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> If happiness conflicts with morality you need another term for
> "happiness" as well as "morality". Whose moral code, by the way? Is
> happiness subjective or can it be universally defined?
>
> On Sep 1, 6:23 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Kant admits that happiness is something very difficult to define. He
> > states: "The concept of happiness is such an indeterminate concept
> > that, although every human being wishes to attain this, he could still
> > never say determinately and consistently with himself what he really
> > wishes and wills."
>
> > However in the Groundwork of the Metaphysic of Morals, Kant suggests
> > that attaining happiness is not just a want but a duty. He states: "To
> > assure one's own happiness is a duty (at least indirectly); for the
> > discontent with one's state, in a press of cares and amidst
> > unsatisfied wants, might easily become a great temptation to the
> > transgression of duty."
>
> > I'm thinking that not recognizing this duty leaves one vulnerable to
> > the dissatisfying results of false pursuits of happiness.  Like Kant's
> > example of a wealthy person who thinks there is happiness in wealth
> > but then realizes it has no real value due to the anxiety in attaining
> > and keeping it.
>
> > Kant indicates that all men regardless have an innate sense to find
> > happiness, referred to as inclination. The dilemma being that much of
> > the time one's happiness results in the unhappiness of someone else
> > therefore concluding that everyone could not possibly be happy at the
> > same time. Even in the Eudemonist sense there are no guarantees or
> > there is a great reliability on the individual's ability to achieve
> > happiness.
>
> > I see a direct conflict between desires, happiness and morality
> > because much of the pursuit of happiness creates an abandonment of
> > morality and desire fails to promote happiness, perhaps temporarily or
> > at least at the achievement level.
>
> > Aside from morality issues the end road for me is the question of the
> > duty to assure happiness.  Is there individual duty to assure
> > happiness and if there is would each individual happiness lead to the
> > ultimate happiness of society.  I've always said, "If you want to be
> > happy make the people around you happy".  Make the world around you
> > happy and you will be living in a happy world.- Hide quoted text -
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