That would be preferable Lee.  I've just been watching Alex Salmond
('oor Scottish 'Great Leader') slagging off double dealing politics
and claiming Nelson Mandela as supporting the release of the 'Libyan
Terrorist/Innocent Patsy' (to taste) - I don't even get a vote living
under the current boundaries.  In truth, we don't get to vote for much
that might matter to us..
The notion of us being able to do something on the basis of collective
mindsets leads me to the one I've found everywhere I've managed to
get.  We want to be free of any of these great gawps and their wars
and inequalities.
I've been looking back to a critical incident in my life years ago.
The truth of this involves Northern Ireland, but I have to disguise
the story - so if I get published it will appear to have taken place
on the Argentinian mainland during the Falklands (it was about
contemporary with that farce).  We were an odd group of men doing our
bit for 'Queen and Country', all coming to the end of our invincible
hard as iron 'adolescence' at around 30.  None of us could bring
ourselves to shoot the 'enemy', individually reaching the same
collective decision after weeks of stalking - the decision being that
'Queen and Country' was worth the smell of a foetid toilet.  To shoot
would have been to give up every value any of us had, despite having
spent much of the last ten years in uniform in one sense or another,
that we were, in essence being asked to shoot our own.  There were six
of us and we haven't amounted to a hill of beans between us since,
though have all drunk ourselves through the disillusion to some tune.
The collective story is really about being alienated from anything
approaching moral purpose, yet strangely being traumatised by acting
as the moral agents we really were, even if our 'hardness' dictated a
face of denial of this.  The simple political stories of nationhood
and the dirty world we are taught are just not enough - but somehow we
need to learn peace is not 'grandiose' and needs to be routine and
banal.  I have found this everywhere and it is all about some form of
collectivity that knows 'foreign policy' needs to be opposed to gain
its megalomaniac strength - my only guess is it needs to wither under
ridicule against a practical collectivity in which it is treated like
a child's tantrums.  I guess we are all armed with a pin against a
giant bubble-wrap!  The key is some kind of giant raspberry breaking
out against globalism.

On 2 Sep, 11:22, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Yes BB, we actualy agree on something.
>
> I too think that it is inevitable that we shall either have a world
> goverment of some sort or 'tribalise' into many diverse tribes set not
> along the lines of nationality but mindsets.
>
> On 2 Sep, 03:03, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think it is inevitable that we all separate into our little pockets
> > and defect from each country or state, and everyone should be allowed
> > to do so.  I will be alone in my little private Idaho but seriously,
> > defect if you are not happy and are not treated well.  Don't let
> > others suck off whatever you have in your back yard.  You have
> > political differences? You should be able to draw your lines in your
> > yard.  England has no right to you.  Group together with whoever you
> > feel connected to and make a country out of it.   In Iraq?  Let them
> > divide it up, they are obviously never going to get along.
>
> > On Aug 31, 9:29 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > There is a convenient line drawn across mainland Great Britain - the
> > > M62.  Not as high as Hadrian's Wall but a useful line to demarcate
> > > Scotland from England.  Those of us lucky enough to live north of it
> > > should lay claim to be Scots and to what is left of the oil and gas
> > > other than the hot air of Westminster politicians.  These oil and gas
> > > reserves are about as big as Kuwait's and our country would be about
> > > 15 million strong, ready-made with its own parliament in Edinburgh.
> > > We could leave the bwanking debts to the English and join the Euro,
> > > committing ourselves to use the oil and gas to create sustainable
> > > industries, agriculture and energy -possibly after an emigration to
> > > New Zealand.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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