In the managerial bull of globalisation resides the concept of local-
global (as opposed to multi-national or trans-national).  This,
disappointingly, only mean giant international companies that are
local in respect of national cultures.  I don't think we really flit
about Lee (though I'm sure we do in another sense), but rather that we
are so damned irrational about it all.  The Punjab has seen massive
increases in agricultural production - seemingly a good idea of
producing food where it actually grows well.  Yet the soil and water-
table are being corrupted and yields are now falling.  We should be
making good use of bread-basket areas (Ukraine and Zimbabwe are
classics), but need to recognise the economics of this is unreliable
and likely to destroy local food production and over-stress land and
so on.  What we seem to have little grasp of is how local/tribal can
fit with an overarching globalism that doesn't mean crap like throwing
a Kenyan tribe off its land to mechanise food production for Qatar
(etc, ad nauseum) or that leads to one in four Brits under 24 doing
sod all.

On 3 Sep, 12:31, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Strange somehow I flit from idea to idea.  Idealy I woud like to see
> globalisation succeed, and yet sometimes I feel that tribalisation is
> bound to succeed instead.
>
> On 2 Sep, 13:29, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > That would be preferable Lee.  I've just been watching Alex Salmond
> > ('oor Scottish 'Great Leader') slagging off double dealing politics
> > and claiming Nelson Mandela as supporting the release of the 'Libyan
> > Terrorist/Innocent Patsy' (to taste) - I don't even get a vote living
> > under the current boundaries.  In truth, we don't get to vote for much
> > that might matter to us..
> > The notion of us being able to do something on the basis of collective
> > mindsets leads me to the one I've found everywhere I've managed to
> > get.  We want to be free of any of these great gawps and their wars
> > and inequalities.
> > I've been looking back to a critical incident in my life years ago.
> > The truth of this involves Northern Ireland, but I have to disguise
> > the story - so if I get published it will appear to have taken place
> > on the Argentinian mainland during the Falklands (it was about
> > contemporary with that farce).  We were an odd group of men doing our
> > bit for 'Queen and Country', all coming to the end of our invincible
> > hard as iron 'adolescence' at around 30.  None of us could bring
> > ourselves to shoot the 'enemy', individually reaching the same
> > collective decision after weeks of stalking - the decision being that
> > 'Queen and Country' was worth the smell of a foetid toilet.  To shoot
> > would have been to give up every value any of us had, despite having
> > spent much of the last ten years in uniform in one sense or another,
> > that we were, in essence being asked to shoot our own.  There were six
> > of us and we haven't amounted to a hill of beans between us since,
> > though have all drunk ourselves through the disillusion to some tune.
> > The collective story is really about being alienated from anything
> > approaching moral purpose, yet strangely being traumatised by acting
> > as the moral agents we really were, even if our 'hardness' dictated a
> > face of denial of this.  The simple political stories of nationhood
> > and the dirty world we are taught are just not enough - but somehow we
> > need to learn peace is not 'grandiose' and needs to be routine and
> > banal.  I have found this everywhere and it is all about some form of
> > collectivity that knows 'foreign policy' needs to be opposed to gain
> > its megalomaniac strength - my only guess is it needs to wither under
> > ridicule against a practical collectivity in which it is treated like
> > a child's tantrums.  I guess we are all armed with a pin against a
> > giant bubble-wrap!  The key is some kind of giant raspberry breaking
> > out against globalism.
>
> > On 2 Sep, 11:22, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Yes BB, we actualy agree on something.
>
> > > I too think that it is inevitable that we shall either have a world
> > > goverment of some sort or 'tribalise' into many diverse tribes set not
> > > along the lines of nationality but mindsets.
>
> > > On 2 Sep, 03:03, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I think it is inevitable that we all separate into our little pockets
> > > > and defect from each country or state, and everyone should be allowed
> > > > to do so.  I will be alone in my little private Idaho but seriously,
> > > > defect if you are not happy and are not treated well.  Don't let
> > > > others suck off whatever you have in your back yard.  You have
> > > > political differences? You should be able to draw your lines in your
> > > > yard.  England has no right to you.  Group together with whoever you
> > > > feel connected to and make a country out of it.   In Iraq?  Let them
> > > > divide it up, they are obviously never going to get along.
>
> > > > On Aug 31, 9:29 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > There is a convenient line drawn across mainland Great Britain - the
> > > > > M62.  Not as high as Hadrian's Wall but a useful line to demarcate
> > > > > Scotland from England.  Those of us lucky enough to live north of it
> > > > > should lay claim to be Scots and to what is left of the oil and gas
> > > > > other than the hot air of Westminster politicians.  These oil and gas
> > > > > reserves are about as big as Kuwait's and our country would be about
> > > > > 15 million strong, ready-made with its own parliament in Edinburgh.
> > > > > We could leave the bwanking debts to the English and join the Euro,
> > > > > committing ourselves to use the oil and gas to create sustainable
> > > > > industries, agriculture and energy -possibly after an emigration to
> > > > > New Zealand.- Hide quoted text -
>
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