That 91 year old guy that needs a new heart should move to CA and
commit a crime. Here those in prison who need a new heart get it
courtesy of the state. How about that?
And about tort reform - may I point out that those who favor it
tend to change their mind when the tort was committed on them or a
member of their immediate family. Why not focus instead on what
generates the tort - poor medical care? Jim
On Sep 4, 4:27 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Or what about a 91 year old gay caucasian with severe acne who needs a
> $750,000 heart replacement but has no insurance? -gruff
>
> lol -sorry to say gruff, but I think he's toast. Now, make him 19
> with a flawless complexion and I'd say Barney Frank would be first in
> line to have uncle Sam pick up the tab.
>
> Fran's points are well made and it is up to Congress to come up with a
> compromise. I'm interested to see what Obama has to say and if tort
> reform will come up in his address. I'm roughly half through your
> article and haven't seen any mention of tort reform yet unless I
> missed it. Reader's Digest version next time?
>
> Dr. Emanuels plan seems to focus on helping those with the most to
> give to society. I think a free market system would do this, if not
> perfectly. As Fran so aptly puts it;
>
> "My general experience is that people (and this applies to
> individuals and societies equally) generally find ways to afford the
> things that are most important to them."
>
> I couldn't agree more. In your opening statement in your article, you
> mention perhaps now is the time to divorce health care from it's
> connection with employment. This is a very, very good idea in my
> opinion. Make people shop for their own insurance to fit their own
> needs. Let the free market work. As much as it can work.
>
> dj
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:12 PM, gruff<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > How about me, Don? I'm all for living as long as I can but for
> > certain exceptions such as my vegetablization or lack of any
> > functional cognition and unable to pull the plug myself.
>
> > However, Emanuel raises some valid points. There are such decisions
> > as he describes which must be made and by what value system do we make
> > them?
>
> > Example: A 35 year old black female obstetrician needs a kidney
> > transplant to live. So does the 88 year old hispanic male CEO. Both
> > needs occurred simultaneously and there is only one kidney available
> > in the time constraints imposed by the situation. Who gets the kidney
> > and why? You have to tell the one who is going to die your
> > reasoning.
>
> > Or what about a 91 year old gay caucasian with severe acne who needs a
> > $750,000 heart replacement but has no insurance?
>
> > There are always such choices and worse to be made in medicine.
> > Sometimes a doctor chooses wrong but it's not deliberate. It's just
> > the way things are.
>
> > On Sep 3, 11:38 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> This is a very interesting article. I'm not suggesting we'll end up
> >> with something like this but it certainly makes for chilling reading.
> >> One major problem with current doctors(according to Dr. Emanuel) is
> >> the Hippocratic Oath. It's all very coldly logical and would be very
> >> effective in reducing costs I believe. If I got to keep the
> >> sweetheart health care our law makers get I'd probably vote for it
> >> myself.
>
> >>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020370660457437446328009...
>
> >> How 'bout you?
>
> >> dj- Hide quoted text -
>
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