Pretty comprehensive gruff. I'm glad you agree tort reform is needed. Your vilification of big pharma might be unwarranted. I agree they got a sweetheart deal with the Bush boondoggle Medicare reform passage but they also help out other countries and individuals in need. It's good business. I know my folks like their drug deal. They usually start getting basically free meds by mid July. When i pick up their meds it's free. When I get mine and my sons it's like 85 bucks. Seniors get a sweet deal. I don't see medicare getting repealed and thats the trouble with entitlements. Once given it's hell to take them away.
I don't think hospitals turn away women in labor. They will deliver the baby and send a bill. When the bill remains unpaid for several months sometimes a charity will pay off the balance. It's the Hippocratic Oath thing I think. I hear horror stories of babies being born on the sidewalk in front of hospitals in England but we generally let them come in here in the States. We have plenty of chilly hallway space. If an illegal has a contagious disease I believe the rule is containment. They wouldn't be allowed to leave without proper precautions I would hope. Incidentally the new census will count illegals so now we'll know were to find them to mail their social security checks and voting cards. Your point on the usefulness of lawyers is well taken. That famous quote from Henry Vl was a suggestion on how to start a revolution. Here's an excerpt: http://www.spectacle.org/797/finkel.html I wish they'd all stop being partisan assholes and get us something useful that won't beggar us for the rest of my life. dj On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:12 PM, gruff<[email protected]> wrote: > > How about me, Don? I'm all for living as long as I can but for > certain exceptions such as my vegetablization or lack of any > functional cognition and unable to pull the plug myself. > > However, Emanuel raises some valid points. There are such decisions > as he describes which must be made and by what value system do we make > them? > > Example: A 35 year old black female obstetrician needs a kidney > transplant to live. So does the 88 year old hispanic male CEO. Both > needs occurred simultaneously and there is only one kidney available > in the time constraints imposed by the situation. Who gets the kidney > and why? You have to tell the one who is going to die your > reasoning. > > Or what about a 91 year old gay caucasian with severe acne who needs a > $750,000 heart replacement but has no insurance? > > There are always such choices and worse to be made in medicine. > Sometimes a doctor chooses wrong but it's not deliberate. It's just > the way things are. > > On Sep 3, 11:38 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> This is a very interesting article. I'm not suggesting we'll end up >> with something like this but it certainly makes for chilling reading. >> One major problem with current doctors(according to Dr. Emanuel) is >> the Hippocratic Oath. It's all very coldly logical and would be very >> effective in reducing costs I believe. If I got to keep the >> sweetheart health care our law makers get I'd probably vote for it >> myself. >> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020370660457437446328009... >> >> How 'bout you? >> >> dj > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
