Bill I owe you and apology, Please accept it,, I got you confused with some one else. Allan
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:18 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > > Apparently you groked most of what I posted. To clarify one point that > appears to have been missed/misunderstood, when you said: > > “…Now it seems there is things that prevent enlightenment Ït takes > work and > time, many people it seems are unwilling to put that effort in. so > they > never reach enlightenment…” – Allan > > …you have returned to a specific point in time as I had implied in my > previous post. Enlightenment is not prevented when one resides in > eternity. Humanity is moving inevitably towards this end. The only > question is will ‘we’ kill off life here on earth before it is > reached. This sadly has a high probability. > > So, said in other words, your term ‘never’ misses the mark and what I > said/implied. > > > On Sep 2, 12:28 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Okay > > > > “How you were raised and educated determines your thought patterns” – > > > > > Allan > > > > > While there can be some truth in this, it need in no way be the final > > > word in thought patterns. > > > > You are right it is not the final answer but it does give an idea of > where > > a person is and how their thinking progresses. People can change< I know > I > > have,, but the basis of my thinking remain the same. > > > > > > > > > “ What do you view enlightenment as?” – Allan > > > > > The clarification of consciousness, some use nouns like Theosis. As a > > > descriptor, the mind observing itself to the point where it > > > understands itself. > > > > Okay for simplification purposes "The Clarification of Consciousness." > Is a > > good description, I know it can be expanded but I am a simple man. > > > > That is nice because it allows for a man that is well educated and very > > knowledgeable to be enlightened,, which they truly are and keeps away > from > > the bright white light thing. > > > > > “ If you find nothing will lead away from Enlightenment ... Why are > > > not more people enlightened?” – Allan > > > > > This is a much larger question than it appears at first glance. A > > > simplistic response includes things like: > > > > > Many are enlightened. > > > More are on the way. > > > > Very very true by our definition a child is very enlightened. with rare > > exception most kids love to play.. except where conditions are very sever > > but then you will sitll find kid trying to play, anything can become a > toy > > and the community (other kid) make it even more enjoyable. Even babies > are > > born enlightened they know and love to suckle and they even know h w to > > pray, meditate and ask any mom,, there chanting really does bring > results > > and is effective. I am reasonable sure you have heard a child wailing or > is > > that just crying..? Interesting form of chanting.. > > > > It takes more work and time for many than might be imagined. > > > > > > > > So it seems we lose our natural enlightenment at some stage.. > > Now the original question is what prevents enlightenment the original > > answer was nothing. > > > > Now it seems there is things that prevent enlightenment Ït takes work > and > > time, many people it seems are unwilling to put that effort in. so they > > never reach enlightenment.. > > > > > > > > > Also, such a question almost begs more questions like: At what point > > > in time would one expect a set number of enlightened beings to exist? > > > How do unenlightened beings determine who is enlightened? Etc. > > > > We can begin to determine who is enlightened by defining what we are > > discussing, then we are talking about common ground and then can > determined > > who and how many. By the our common definition (though simplified ) we > do > > have a starting point and thee are many levels of what can truly be > > considered enlightenment. > > > > On the other hand if you talk about enlightenment in terms of the > gate-less > > gate it becomes almost an elitist thing more common than people realizing > > but still elitist. Why people to not attain it when it seems they should. > > Maybe it is just one of the many forms of enlightenment all of them being > > equal. > > > > As for common knowledge when you experience concepts by having to live > > through them in real life, when someone speaks of them, they become > common > > knowledge for you. > > > > > I know that many here at ME have, over the years, presented opinions > > > on this. > > > > > That is what makes ME great,, there are many great opinions,, and they > > > > don't even have to be right,, they are just opinions,, and each is > > entitled to their own opinion. here we have a chance to share them. > > Allan > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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