The word 'soul' means nothing to me. I have no idea what that is. How do we measure it to see if it exists or not? And, even if it does, where does it come from, the brain? Where does it stay once it has come from wherever, the brain?
Sorry, it still seems to me like the brain is the source of self and consciousness. Souls are all well and good but if I am to be questioned on the evidence supporting the brain's electro-chemical functioning as the source of consciousness then surely there is an equal or even greater need for some shred of evidence to support a 'soul' as the origin of the same. Can you give me as detailed a description of the soul as possible, please? How does it give rise to consciousness? How does it communicate with the brain, when and how does it develop. Lots of questions so please be as detailed as you can. I have heard people talking about souls for decades but nobody ever seems to be able to describe them or support their idea with more than simple assertion, which experience has taught me to reject out-of-hand initially. Look forward to some details. Cheers. 2009/9/5 archytas <[email protected]> > > These are areas where what we say can often not be what we mean. > Bullet through brain does seem sensible as leading to no person here > (i.e. presence of corpse) but there could be a soul and so on - or > consciousness might take the 'self' and re-deliver it somewhere. > There are plenty of examples of 'mirror-world' science about. I think > we may be approaching a time at which we can use memory in something > like real-time and this will speed up our knowing and probably stop > much of the political drivel we suffer from wasting so much time (and > all the rest). At most, I believe this would open up new mysteries or > paths to take. > > On 6 Sep, 00:20, sjewins <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank-you. This is an area of particular interest to me. > > > > I have no problem with bits of faith, I think that without faith, > > doing anything in the course of the day would be next to impossible. > > However, before I takes any leaps of faith I try to first measure the > > distance. That said, I am interested in ideas concerning awareness of > > self, consciousness, that try to do away with the physical brain as > > the source. From what I can tell no brain is no self therefore self > > must come, somehow, from the brain. Where to you see self coming from, > > awareness and consciousness, if not the lump of matter, the brain? > > > > On Sep 5, 12:09 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “…I see no reason at all to assume that anything gives rise to > > > consciousness beyond electricity and chemistry….” – SE > > > > > “…The brain is being mapped and it won't be very > > > many more decades before all the 'mystery' removed….” – SE > > > > > First, you have been taken off of moderation. Welcome to Mind’s Eye! > > > > > Next, I applaud what appears to be a conflation of a scientific > > > attitude with faith…in this case, faith in the coming of a world > > > without ‘mystery’. While it is a common view, seldom is it presented > > > so succinctly! > > > > I. actually, didn't say a 'world' without mystery, since I was > > referencing the mapping of the brain> So I was indicating the mystery > > of brain function, self, awareness, consciousness et. al. will soon be > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 8:10 am, sjewins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not addressing Dennett. I am talking about experiments that can > > > > change consciousness. If a chemical can change consciousness then > > > > obviously chemicals are a great part of consciousness. Likewise for > > > > the application of electro-magnetic forces. > > > > > > Consciousness is essentially a closed loop. 80% of all conscious > > > > activity arises from within the brain, only 20% is from external > > > > sensory input. > > > > > > Neuro-transmitters are essentially, also simply chemical transfers > > > > launch by electrical energy. > > > > > > For example, LSD exclusively affects the temporal lobe. If you remove > > > > the temporal lobe the subject can consume buckets of LSD and it will > > > > have no effect on him/her at all.. > > > > > > Absolutely all psychotropic drugs alter consciousness via physical > > > > chemical influences, from god experiences to colour perception. > > > > Serotonin, as an example, is manipulated by large numbers of > > > > hallucinogenics as well as ant-depressants. > > > > > > I see no reason at all to assume that anything gives rise to > > > > consciousness beyond electricity and chemistry. > > > > > > This is not as big a mystery as the posts here seem to think. I would > > > > strongly recommend some, even cursory, study of current research in > > > > neuro-science and behavioural/cognitive experiments being done by > > > > Persinger and others. The brain is being mapped and it won't be very > > > > many more decades before all the 'mystery' removed. > > > > > > >No doubt we will eventually understand the specific correlations and > > > > >what produces our own experience of Being and being conscious > meaning > > > > >what the specific arrangements are and how they are tied to detailed > > > > >phenomenological descriptions of experience. > > > > > > We already know the general area of the right side of the brain where > > > > our feelings of 'self' reside. In fact, if we stimulate that same > area > > > > we create a feeling in the subject of 'another' self. A duality that > > > > is usually ultimately described by the subject as god-like. > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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