" From what I can tell no brain is no self therefore self must come, somehow, from the brain."
There is no tree ( in view ) untill the window is closed. There is a tree, with the window open. Therefore, the tree " must come, somehow, from the " window ! ? On Sep 6, 4:20 am, sjewins <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank-you. This is an area of particular interest to me. > > I have no problem with bits of faith, I think that without faith, > doing anything in the course of the day would be next to impossible. > However, before I takes any leaps of faith I try to first measure the > distance. That said, I am interested in ideas concerning awareness of > self, consciousness, that try to do away with the physical brain as > the source. From what I can tell no brain is no self therefore self > must come, somehow, from the brain. Where to you see self coming from, > awareness and consciousness, if not the lump of matter, the brain? > > On Sep 5, 12:09 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > “…I see no reason at all to assume that anything gives rise to > > consciousness beyond electricity and chemistry….” – SE > > > “…The brain is being mapped and it won't be very > > many more decades before all the 'mystery' removed….” – SE > > > First, you have been taken off of moderation. Welcome to Mind’s Eye! > > > Next, I applaud what appears to be a conflation of a scientific > > attitude with faith…in this case, faith in the coming of a world > > without ‘mystery’. While it is a common view, seldom is it presented > > so succinctly! > > I. actually, didn't say a 'world' without mystery, since I was > referencing the mapping of the brain> So I was indicating the mystery > of brain function, self, awareness, consciousness et. al. will soon be > removed. > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 8:10 am, sjewins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm not addressing Dennett. I am talking about experiments that can > > > change consciousness. If a chemical can change consciousness then > > > obviously chemicals are a great part of consciousness. Likewise for > > > the application of electro-magnetic forces. > > > > Consciousness is essentially a closed loop. 80% of all conscious > > > activity arises from within the brain, only 20% is from external > > > sensory input. > > > > Neuro-transmitters are essentially, also simply chemical transfers > > > launch by electrical energy. > > > > For example, LSD exclusively affects the temporal lobe. If you remove > > > the temporal lobe the subject can consume buckets of LSD and it will > > > have no effect on him/her at all.. > > > > Absolutely all psychotropic drugs alter consciousness via physical > > > chemical influences, from god experiences to colour perception. > > > Serotonin, as an example, is manipulated by large numbers of > > > hallucinogenics as well as ant-depressants. > > > > I see no reason at all to assume that anything gives rise to > > > consciousness beyond electricity and chemistry. > > > > This is not as big a mystery as the posts here seem to think. I would > > > strongly recommend some, even cursory, study of current research in > > > neuro-science and behavioural/cognitive experiments being done by > > > Persinger and others. The brain is being mapped and it won't be very > > > many more decades before all the 'mystery' removed. > > > > >No doubt we will eventually understand the specific correlations and > > > >what produces our own experience of Being and being conscious meaning > > > >what the specific arrangements are and how they are tied to detailed > > > >phenomenological descriptions of experience. > > > > We already know the general area of the right side of the brain where > > > our feelings of 'self' reside. In fact, if we stimulate that same area > > > we create a feeling in the subject of 'another' self. A duality that > > > is usually ultimately described by the subject as god-like.- Hide quoted > > > text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
