I see a > common tactic on the left is to ridicule rather then engage.
On the left! Where do you think this all got started? It was Rush Limbaugh and Fox News that invented the process! Have your heard the sneering tone in his voice! Do you forget Chenny saying he wasn't part of the executive branch? Have you seen any of Joe Kennedy's work? Did you see the hatchet job that was attempted on the scientists who warned about global warming? You need to pluck that log out of your own eye before you criticize the left for "ridiculing" the right. (Although, it is true perhaps that the left is operating in a "target rich" environment since so much on the right is just well... ridiculous....ridiculous, outrageous and I wish only funny!) For a long time the left did not respond in kind. But the fact is that kind of approach swayed a large part of the population and elected Republicans with disastrous consequences - a lot of dead people and even worse down the road unless something was done - so something had to be done. The result: Air America, SNL, CNBC, and a host of "copy cats". And it worked. Do you think Obama could have been elected if it weren't for the ridiculing of Sara Palin on SNL? Can't take a dose of your own medicine is what it is. Sure it would be better to stand down. But hey. You first. Let Rushbo get a hint of rationality, or Fox news stop lying about their coverage being unbiased and the left will shut down. I agree that there should be no government interference in the press provided there is no monopoly. I think we can even work to assure that there is none. It used to be only a few channels and there were all kinds of rules on who could access them because the frequency spectrum was limited. Packet switching and the internet should get that fixed. So I hope you will agree that the electronic freedom foundation is the way to go and we must keep the internet free - free in the US and free in the world! Helping countries censor the internet - now I would love to criminalize that. That is a legitemate "government" intervention. It is what we need. I would really not like to end up like > Russia or Cuba or Venezuela with a state controlled media. Nor one controlled by a small group of business executives. We need to keep control fractured at all times, guarantee privacy for ordinary citizens and force the elite out into the open. It is the only way. They cannot remain in power if there actions are in the light of day. Why do you only focus on government hierarchy? Why do you not see the problem with organizations like Blackwater? Did you stand up for the Clinton's when they were being smeared? Where is the fairness? I used to be politically uninterested but the action of the conservative movement in the US, its danger, is something I feel must be responded to. You know, if you want, as the right has recently done, to make Hitler analogies, here's one: Everyone thought Hitler was a fool and no one took him very seriously until it was too late. Do you know how dangerous it is to have a nuclear arsensal in the hands of people of who don't believe in evolution? I am really tired of conservatives telling the left to be fair. One day I was fishing with my brother. I had a better pole than him. He said that my pole was his and he wanted it. I was pissed but, hey, he was my brother so I said, ok, here its yours. Next cast he gets the line caught in a tree. Next word out of his mouth is "Hey that's my pole give it back". During the height of the Bush regime I asked him if he wasn't concerned over the deaths that were occurring. I showed him that the number of people being killed was extreme. His comment "Our fighters are better than theirs" He was proud of the kill ratio and he could not distinguish between collateral damage and damage on an enemy combatant. Its no wonder we had the shame of Abu Grab. We all should be ashamed of the conservative movement. Its a disaster. So, I am not going to "play fair". I am going to be as partisan as I can and do as much as I can to defeat the conservative movement in America. They are a threat the security of sane society and should be defeated through legititemate democratic means before they get to where those means are no longer enough. You are tired of the unfairness? You should see how tired we are of it. But whatever it takes. As George Bush once said "Bring it on" You'll not destroy civil society unopposed. > It is right to question your government. And its right to try to use government to check business hierarchy. We have the luxury of getting our information from > multiple sources. Let's all hope this continues. > We need some regulation to curb monopolies and force some semblance of > ethics on investing and business tactics. We agree on this much. Amen to that! > What we apparently disagree on is the major cause for the crash. I > was paying attention. The FEC failed in it's watch-dog role letting > derivatives get ridiculous. I feel it was government involvement and > in particular the GSE's in the mortgage industry that caused what > should have been a cyclical bear to be a financial meltdown of cosmic > proportions the like of which we still have not seen the full effects. That does not explain the loss of the manufacturing sector or the problems in health care. The financial crisis is just one aspect of the problem. Obama got it right. It is ultimately a collapse in ethics. I personally think it started with Regan and the idea that we could just bully people. The idea that you could just let your ego do the heavy lifting and remember "God is on our side" all while paying lip service to the "compassionate" side of things. Like all great lies it had the germ of truth as Russia was, and is, well, ethically challenged might be a kind word. But once you take that arrogant attitude, (contrast it with the relatively humble attitude of Carter) and it is nothing more than that, and you destroy the idea of our common good in favor of a complete and unbalanced "Me first" approach and poo poo the resulting guilt you feel, flaunt yourself in fact and lay claim to your mantle of "goodness" then it starts. That attitude has resulted in the inflaming of conservatism and fundamentalism. It is at the heart of fundamentalist belief. I can decide what I believe. I set the truth. And while many subcommunities in the US are immune from such stupidity there is a large part of the population in the south and mid-west genuinely swayed by it. They really believe the Conservative lies. Remember Oaklahoma city? No one remembers it. So, please, don't ask us to stand down first. You guys back off ok? You want to defend freedom of the press and a rational media fine, but start by attacking Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and the whole myth of Ronald Regan or maybe defend scientifically, evolution or something. Become a liberal. They are the ones trying to defend freedom. > Are you actually telling me we should relax and trust Obama and co. > and let the 'smart people' take care of us? No, I am just asking you to see that he is basically right with where we are headed. If you want to pull him left then I support that. But if you are part of this orchestrated smear campaign go pound sand. Obama knows best, sit > down and shut up. Their 'whiff of brilliance' will save us. Nah, I > know that's not what your saying. > > I'd rather take the red pill. What you need to do is to see that your fear of government is correct but it is being exploited by another more corporate power base that you also need to fear. You need to fear nationalism as much as you fear internationalism. You need to fear letting the sick go without treatment as much as you need to fear the fact that a lazy capable man might not work. You need to fear that government not have the funds to function as much as you fear increased taxes. You just need balance. The truth is the divide between liberals and conservatives right now is a divide between balance and no balance. There is no balance. It is out of balance. We need to move sharply left. Very left. I can't believe how close the last election was. I can't believe how blind conservatives are. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
