altruists presumably > perish first! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgmWwMheXkk
dj On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > > Altruism shouldn't be able to survive, given the altruists presumably > perish first! > For sure it's so, Arch, as the old adage comes to mind "nice guys > finish last". > It's a bit cold and stark but at least she clearly defines her lines > and doesn't waiver. Perhaps if we got off the dung cart we could > settle into peace built on pure reason. One love's thy neighbor until > one needs to kill thy neighbor to survive, why fool ourselves into > thinking otherwise. Surely we don't hack away with medieval > swordsmanship but undermine and destroy with economic woe. > > On Sep 7, 7:52 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't really believe this 'stuff' Orn, but it is a way to make >> points I do believe. The spiritual (no doubt a false form) is often >> used to reach a coldness needed to kill based on indoctrination and a >> certainty in passion and conviction. I do not place this in the >> intellect, but can easily see how people being 'clever' can appear >> cold and very selfish. Religious and bureaucratic rationalisations >> often chill me to the bone and more and more of this seems to take the >> form of economic discourse and those pretending an objective voice as >> a tool of rhetoric - deconstruction always shows the return of Desire >> in such rhetoric, that the rationality or objectivism is always less >> than pretended. Rand isn't without some sense on some things, but she >> could only ever be a strawman version of objectivism suitable to be >> shot down in flames. I'm reminded of the 'greed is good' neo-con >> arguments and some watered-down Nietzsche. First time I've seen the >> woman, though we have 'Atlas Shrugged' in the house, partly read. >> >> I've never really believed we can get into pure intellect or even >> argument where the only operative force is that of pure Reason. >> Altruism shouldn't be able to survive, given the altruists presumably >> perish first! It runs in evolution as celibacy runs in some Catholic >> families! My guess is this form of 'objectivism' is really political >> and makes the intellectual a merely functionary purpose to its >> interests. What joy there might be to live, write and breathe other >> than as a functionary? I hope I share your spirit in this Orn - even >> if we might appear to be at cross-purposes. We share a certain 'will' >> as we are both Williams! We can at least go Dutch on the bill. >> >> On 7 Sep, 19:54, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > ““The lower, and purely intellectual, is nearest to the principle of >> > Desire, and is thus distinguished from its other side which has >> > affinity for the spiritual principles above. If the Thinker becomes >> > wholly intellectual, the entire nature begins to tend downward—for >> > intellect alone is cold, heartless, selfish.” – W. Q. Judge: “The >> > Ocean of Theosophy” >> >> > We were discussing things like love and compassion along with >> > consciousness in another thread. Here is a view from one extreme point >> > on the spectrum…that of Ayn Rand. Since she has been mentioned now and >> > then here, for those of you who have little exposure to her, her books >> > and/or philosophy, here is a short video interview that may provide a >> > fairly rapid and direct access to what is called objectivism. >> >> > While the video is on a Theosophy site, read the other stuff only if >> > you are attracted, if not, that is fine too…scroll down to the 4th >> > picture and click on it for the video to start. >> >> > “Objectivism vs Altruism” >> >> >http://theosophywatch.com/2009/09/07/the-caring-spirit/ > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
