Extra credit, no doubt... On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Quite lovely Vam - thank heavens I now have inadequate energy for such > cosmic questing! Altruistic animals can logically survive as the > advantage they give is to a group which thus is more likely to survive > than groups without it. I read somewhere of women who become > 'promiscuous' when pregnant - explained as 'wanting the fish for the > baby brought by the lover' (altruism on behalf of the off-spring or > them selfish genes acting from the womb?). I remember a good > socialist friend who never quite realised it might just be altruistic > to let others do something to please him because of the pleasure they > would get. There are complex rules of the gift in 'primitive' > societies - the giving giving an obligation. There can be pleasure in > giving pleasure. I would have been a bad client for prostitutes, > given my aversity to short time and forced labour. Slip points out > that the good guys finish last, and I was never premature. Tit for > tat is often the best strategy once the free-riders are spotted and > ignored. No doubt we are transactional. Given we are deceivers, how > do we tell much about much? Knowledge of likelihood of fair return in > a world admitting to selfishness might lead to the trust to do > something rather than just subsist. Fair return might well be linked > to spiritual rules in a community, even law. We should do more in > life to find our sweet spots and beware the ghastly feigning of > sincerity of the Blairs and TV presenters - and the meritocracy of the > selfish. This may lead us to the selfish pleasures of helping - a > state entirely different from selfish ripping-off. The pursuit of the > extirpation of metaphysics is, of course, metaphysical. Not all > selfishness is the same. Origins are noble and ignoble. > > Yup Molly - Rand isn't as 'straw' as she can be made out to be. The > worst people I have met have had low self-esteem yet regarded > themselves as superior to others. I shall exit stage left for a night > of altruistic passion based on a woman daft enough to buy the drinks > as part of her selfish plan to glean pleasure credits from me ... > > On 8 Sep, 17:42, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > Another way describing the ' leela ' of ( Maya and ) Brahman, as it > > appears : > > > > " Maithun - The bliss in union of Purush ( Self ) and Prakriti ( His > > Nature ) is Maithun. These Purush and Prakriti tattwas ( potencies ) > > are active in sadhaks ( seeker's ) own body. On one side of Abyakta > > Peetha ( Unmanifest playground ... Mind ! ? ) is prakriti tattwa and > > another side is purusha. The creation and destruction process of this > > universe are but various bliss currents of this union. When sadhaka > > crosses the barrier of the "Ahang Granthi" ( the self - ego - > > consciousness, the idea of oneself ), the entire universe becomes his > > playground and he can directly feel the unified bliss of purusha and > > prakriti in the cosmos. This is maithun ( the act of interpenetration, > > unification ). A fraction of this bliss is present in the > > "Milan" ( intercourse ) of a man and a woman. Hence every Jiva > > ( individuated being, one with the idea of oneself ) is so much > > attracted and attached to." > > > > " ... The inclusion of actual sex in tantra may be due to buddhist > > influence." > > > > The translations in ( ) are mine. > > > > On Sep 8, 9:02 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep., 16:54, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Funny thing, though, altruism, in a monistic system, is the > > > height > > > > > > of selfishness. But, of course, that's EVERY reason to perform > > > > altruistic acts because it's how we treat others that is how we treat > > > > ourselves. > > > > > Or you could describe monism as being supremely, divinely > > > masturbatory ... God playing with him/her/itself :-) > > > > > Francis > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
