I was on a Sikh forum today and a question was asked along the lines of: 'Is lord Krishna an avatar of Vishnu, or Waheguru?' (What Sikhs normally call God)
One of the answers contianed the line: 'God is present in everyone, but we are like wood. An Avatar is like the wood on fire' This from an elderly Canadian Sikh who has over the years gained my respect, and paints an extraordinary picture with his words. On 10 Sep, 15:16, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > "There's a blaze of light in every word, it doesn't matter which you > heard, the holy, or the broken, hallelujah." - Leonard Cohen > > The Logos is alive! > > On Sep 10, 10:12 am, "[email protected]" > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think there may well be a fair bit in this Molly. It reminds me of > > the aboriginal point of the stick, and the effect that has on those > > that belive it. > > > Words have enmennse power, as I'm sure we all realise. However I have > > often preached that an insult can only have power if you choose to be > > insulted. So perhaps there is a large element of belief in the > > empowerment of words? > > > On 10 Sep, 15:07, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I am reading Gregg Braden's Lost Mode of Prayer right now, and it is a > > > good reference for all kinds of prayer modality. His idea of prayer > > > is that the words evoke feeling, and it is the feeling that delivers > > > us into a frame of mind that allows grace. He also does a nice job > > > with the process of blessing, saying that it involves recognition of > > > the one hurt or injured, the person of event that caused the injury, > > > and all that witnessed it - his deal is that if we can feel a > > > blessing, or the highest possibility for all involved, it delivers us > > > out of a focus on the negative and into the realm of possibility for > > > all involved. A real connection. I think that many people that we > > > would consider to be good natured, do this without associating it with > > > a religion. I liked seeing prayer and blessing given as a process > > > that takes us from feeling separate and often low, to feeling our > > > highest possibilities, and so, connected. > > > > On Sep 10, 7:01 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Oh ,, Lee it was the title of a book I bought years ago that has a very > > > > interesting view point on prayer I thought Francis might be interested > > > > in > > > > reading. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM, [email protected] < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Ohh what sort of basic magic? > > > > > > On 9 Sep, 19:26, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Me to and it does Francis > > > > > > Next time we see each other remind me to loan you one of my books > > > > > > called > > > > > > basic magic,, put some new insights to prayer. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM, frantheman > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd be storming heaven with continuing rosaries for a successful > > > > > > > outcome for you Neil - now, if only I could start believing that > > > > > > > prayer works ... > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep., 16:09, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I got news of an interview for a job in Dubai today - it's next > > > > > > > > Monday. The job's being run by my old university. Good pay, > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > accommodation and guaranteed sun and sobriety - an excellent > > > > > > > > retreat > > > > > > > > to finish my books as long as the air conditioning holds out! > > > > > > > > I'll > > > > > be > > > > > > > > out in the sticks (not that are any) about an hour from the > > > > > > > > challenge > > > > > > > > of cold lager and an eon from the recession. Ahmadenadinejad > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > within grenade tossing distance across the Straights Of Homuz, > > > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > may adjust my view of the 6th Fleet and have to stop calling > > > > > Americans > > > > > > > > my colonial cousins! You may be right that we have a 'special > > > > > > > > relationship' Orn. One hopes the monks keep chanting until 3 > > > > > > > > p.m. > > > > > > > > 14.9.09 (BST). The work will probably encompass India too. > > > > > > > > Fingers > > > > > > > > crossed, touching the wood, the scientist in me is shouting! > > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep, 12:13, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 18:55, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Words from those wiser than I: > > > > > > > > > > > "Listening not to me but to the LOGOS it is wise to agree > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > things are one." - Heraclitus (ca. 535–475 BCE): > > > > > > > > > > > "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act > > > > > > > > > > responsibly, > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato > > > > > > > > > > > "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its > > > > > opponents > > > > > > > > > > and making them see the light, but rather because its > > > > > > > > > > opponents > > > > > > > > > > eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is > > > > > > > > > > familiar > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > it." - Max Planck > > > > > > > > > > > "The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience > > > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > sensation of the mystical. He to whom this emotion is a > > > > > > > > > > stranger, > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as > > > > > > > > > > dead. > > > > > To > > > > > > > > > > know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, > > > > > > > > > > manifesting > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which > > > > > > > > > > our dull > > > > > > > > > > faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true > > > > > > > > > > religion." - > > > > > Albert > > > > > > > > > > Einstein > > > > > > > > > > Just thought I'd add in another Einstein quote, here: "Science > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > religion is lame; religion without science is blind." > > > > > > > > > > > “There is no salvation in becoming adapted to a world which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > crazy.” > > > > > > > > > > Henry Miller > > > > > > > > > > > "Stuff happens." - Donald H. Rumsfeld > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 10:14 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bill - things have been tough enough for me to > > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate the other 'odd balls' in here as a beacon of > > > > > > > > > > > hope. > > > > > As a > > > > > > > > > > > young boy I felt much the same about the USA (really), > > > > > confusing it > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > the beacon city on the hill. I thought you guys were so > > > > > democratic > > > > > > > > > > > you wouldn't even get patriotic about sport! One lives > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > learns! > > > > > > > > > > > Possibly the only thing I can claim to have been really > > > > > > > > > > > good at > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > 'bad singing'. There has been a similar figure in my > > > > > > > > > > > life - > > > > > > > Howard, > > > > > > > > > > > an old-style socialist who did sing-song nights at a pub > > > > > > > > > > > I used > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > use. > > > > > > > > > > > Our grandson has just started secondary school and was so > > > > > impressed > > > > > > > > > > > with his first day he wanted to go back! His Catholic > > > > > > > > > > > primary > > > > > > > school > > > > > > > > > > > was about as good as we can manage. In the UK (with some > > > > > > > reservations > > > > > > > > > > > about prep schools), we seem to manage 'equality' quite > > > > > > > > > > > well to > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > point and keep things personal and neighbourly enough. > > > > > > > > > > > Things > > > > > go > > > > > > > sour > > > > > > > > > > > after this point and I do conclude that the suppression of > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality and communality after this stage is the key. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > sure I ever coped with this and the discovery of the way > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > world. I've been unrooted all my adult life and even now > > > > > > > > > > > miss > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > comradeship of disciplined service that replaced this, > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > though > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > know the experience was traumatic - the trauma being very > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > the experience time itself. There is much we could be > > > > > > > > > > > building > > > > > on > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > my sense of this is almost marxist in terms of access to > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > control > > > > > > > > > > > of the means of production - but I am only materialist in > > > > > believing > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > this as a means to spiritual being. Fromm put this as > > > > > > > > > > > 'to have > > > > > or > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > be' - there are plenty of arguments, but it often seems > > > > > > > > > > > little > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > other than as a missionary or martyr - I'll stop before > > > > > > > > > > > terms > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > 'strategic spirituality' start to come out of my > > > > > > > > > > > management > > > > > speak > > > > > > > > > > > learning! > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 01:27, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I couldn’t stop thinking of Neil (and a few others here) > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > listening to this wonderful story teller/man. No matter > > > > > > > > > > > > ones > > > > > > > political > > > > > > > > > > > > views, my guess is that we all would love to have had > > > > > > > > > > > > him as > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > neighbor and a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is a fairly long show…watch it when you have the > > > > > > > > > > > > time.) > > > > > > > >http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/7/the_golden_voice_of_the_great-Hi. > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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