Thanks for moving the prayer discussion over, Francis. You win the prize today for thread purity. We should, indeed, keep Neil's homage pure...
On Sep 10, 2:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Two once drink-sodden Celts fulminating from the battle-wagon of peace > at the gates of heaven Francis! They'd give up quicker than my first > pint of chilled lager on my return in ten months! > > On 10 Sep, 16:37, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The only prayer know to ever have worked is prayer that cannot be > > verified as providing what it was assumed to. Unless the goal is to > > just 'feel' better then prayer always works but so what? Many things > > can achieve the same result. > > > 2009/9/10 iam deheretic <[email protected]>: > > > > No No Lee it deals with it as a concept of prayer in reality.. it is > > > interesting as it is avoiding > > > > the book is > > > Basic Magick by Phillip Cooper > > > > it is working off the esoteric view point You = Belief = Life Energy > > > > Life energy is basically the force of creation. It is kind of a > > > fascinating > > > book to read and in a way it is dealing with the concept of effective > > > prayer > > > that works.. > > > Allan > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:12 PM, [email protected] > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Heh yeah but what kind of magic does it talk about? > > > >> You're basic like for like type where your manipulation of a substance > > >> causes change in a similar, or afiliated substance? > > >> Or perhaps runic, or chanting, danceing, trancing? What? > > > >> On 10 Sep, 12:01, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Oh ,, Lee it was the title of a book I bought years ago that has a very > > >> > interesting view point on prayer I thought Francis might be interested > > >> > in > > >> > reading. > > >> > Allan > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM, [email protected] < > > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > Ohh what sort of basic magic? > > > >> > > On 9 Sep, 19:26, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Me to and it does Francis > > >> > > > Next time we see each other remind me to loan you one of my books > > >> > > > called > > >> > > > basic magic,, put some new insights to prayer. > > >> > > > Allan > > > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM, frantheman > > >> > > > <[email protected] > > >> > > >wrote: > > > >> > > > > I'd be storming heaven with continuing rosaries for a successful > > >> > > > > outcome for you Neil - now, if only I could start believing that > > >> > > > > prayer works ... > > > >> > > > > Francis > > > >> > > > > On 9 Sep., 16:09, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > I got news of an interview for a job in Dubai today - it's next > > >> > > > > > Monday. The job's being run by my old university. Good pay, > > >> > > > > > free > > >> > > > > > accommodation and guaranteed sun and sobriety - an excellent > > >> > > > > > retreat > > >> > > > > > to finish my books as long as the air conditioning holds out! > > >> > > > > > I'll > > >> > > be > > >> > > > > > out in the sticks (not that are any) about an hour from the > > >> > > > > > challenge > > >> > > > > > of cold lager and an eon from the recession. Ahmadenadinejad > > >> > > > > > will be > > >> > > > > > within grenade tossing distance across the Straights Of Homuz, > > >> > > > > > so I > > >> > > > > > may adjust my view of the 6th Fleet and have to stop calling > > >> > > Americans > > >> > > > > > my colonial cousins! You may be right that we have a 'special > > >> > > > > > relationship' Orn. One hopes the monks keep chanting until 3 > > >> > > > > > p.m. > > >> > > > > > 14.9.09 (BST). The work will probably encompass India too. > > >> > > > > > Fingers > > >> > > > > > crossed, touching the wood, the scientist in me is shouting! > > > >> > > > > > On 9 Sep, 12:13, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 18:55, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > Words from those wiser than I: > > > >> > > > > > > > "Listening not to me but to the LOGOS it is wise to agree > > >> > > > > > > > that > > >> > > all > > >> > > > > > > > things are one." - Heraclitus (ca. 535–475 BCE): > > > >> > > > > > > > "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act > > >> > > > > > > > responsibly, > > >> > > while > > >> > > > > > > > bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato > > > >> > > > > > > > "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its > > >> > > opponents > > >> > > > > > > > and making them see the light, but rather because its > > >> > > > > > > > opponents > > >> > > > > > > > eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is > > >> > > > > > > > familiar > > >> > > with > > >> > > > > > > > it." - Max Planck > > > >> > > > > > > > "The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience > > >> > > > > > > > is the > > >> > > > > > > > sensation of the mystical. He to whom this emotion is a > > >> > > > > > > > stranger, > > >> > > who > > >> > > > > > > > can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as > > >> > > > > > > > dead. > > >> > > To > > >> > > > > > > > know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, > > >> > > > > > > > manifesting > > >> > > > > itself > > >> > > > > > > > as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which > > >> > > > > > > > our > > >> > > > > > > > dull > > >> > > > > > > > faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - > > >> > > > > > > > this > > >> > > > > > > > knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true > > >> > > > > > > > religion." > > >> > > > > > > > - > > >> > > Albert > > >> > > > > > > > Einstein > > > >> > > > > > > Just thought I'd add in another Einstein quote, here: > > >> > > > > > > "Science > > >> > > without > > >> > > > > > > religion is lame; religion without science is blind." > > > >> > > > > > > > “There is no salvation in becoming adapted to a world which > > >> > > > > > > > is > > >> > > > > crazy.” > > >> > > > > > > > Henry Miller > > > >> > > > > > > > "Stuff happens." - Donald H. Rumsfeld > > > >> > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 10:14 am, archytas <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks Bill - things have been tough enough for me to > > >> > > > > > > > > really > > >> > > > > > > > > appreciate the other 'odd balls' in here as a beacon of > > >> > > > > > > > > hope. > > >> > > As a > > >> > > > > > > > > young boy I felt much the same about the USA (really), > > >> > > confusing it > > >> > > > > as > > >> > > > > > > > > the beacon city on the hill. I thought you guys were so > > >> > > democratic > > >> > > > > > > > > you wouldn't even get patriotic about sport! One lives > > >> > > > > > > > > and > > >> > > learns! > > >> > > > > > > > > Possibly the only thing I can claim to have been really > > >> > > > > > > > > good at > > >> > > is > > >> > > > > > > > > 'bad singing'. There has been a similar figure in my > > >> > > > > > > > > life > > >> > > > > > > > > - > > >> > > > > Howard, > > >> > > > > > > > > an old-style socialist who did sing-song nights at a pub > > >> > > > > > > > > I > > >> > > > > > > > > used > > >> > > to > > >> > > > > > > > > use. > > >> > > > > > > > > Our grandson has just started secondary school and was so > > >> > > impressed > > >> > > > > > > > > with his first day he wanted to go back! His Catholic > > >> > > > > > > > > primary > > >> > > > > school > > >> > > > > > > > > was about as good as we can manage. In the UK (with some > > >> > > > > reservations > > >> > > > > > > > > about prep schools), we seem to manage 'equality' quite > > >> > > > > > > > > well to > > >> > > > > this > > >> > > > > > > > > point and keep things personal and neighbourly enough. > > >> > > > > > > > > Things > > >> > > go > > >> > > > > sour > > >> > > > > > > > > after this point and I do conclude that the suppression > > >> > > > > > > > > of > > >> > > > > > > > > spirituality and communality after this stage is the key. > > >> > > > > > > > > I'm > > >> > > not > > >> > > > > > > > > sure I ever coped with this and the discovery of the way > > >> > > > > > > > > of the > > >> > > > > > > > > world. I've been unrooted all my adult life and even now > > >> > > > > > > > > miss > > >> > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > comradeship of disciplined service that replaced this, > > >> > > > > > > > > even > > >> > > though > > >> > > > > I > > >> > > > > > > > > know the experience was traumatic - the trauma being very > > >> > > > > > > > > much > > >> > > post > > >> > > > > > > > > the experience time itself. There is much we could be > > >> > > > > > > > > building > > >> > > on > > >> > > > > - > > >> > > > > > > > > my sense of this is almost marxist in terms of access to > > >> > > > > > > > > and > > >> > > > > control > > >> > > > > > > > > of the means of production - but I am only materialist in > > >> > > believing > > >> > > > > in > > >> > > > > > > > > this as a means to spiritual being. Fromm put this as > > >> > > > > > > > > 'to > > >> > > > > > > > > have > > >> > > or > > >> > > > > to > > >> > > > > > > > > be' - there are plenty of arguments, but it often seems > > >> > > > > > > > > little > > >> > > to > > >> > > > > do > > >> > > > > > > > > other than as a missionary or martyr - I'll stop before > > >> > > > > > > > > terms > > >> > > like > > >> > > > > > > > > 'strategic spirituality' start to come out of my > > >> > > > > > > > > management > > >> > > speak > > >> > > > > > > > > learning! > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 01:27, ornamentalmind > > >> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I couldn’t stop thinking of Neil (and a few others > > >> > > > > > > > > > here) > > >> > > while > > >> > > > > > > > > > listening to this wonderful story teller/man. No matter > > >> > > > > > > > > > ones > > >> > > > > political > > >> > > > > > > > > > views, my guess is that we all would love to have had > > >> > > > > > > > > > him as > > >> > > a > > >> > > > > > > > > > neighbor and a friend. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > (It is a fairly long show…watch it when you have the > > >> > > > > > > > > > time.) > > > >> > > > > >http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/7/the_golden_voice_of_the_great-Hi. > > >> > > .. > > > >> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > >> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
