Ahh I see, cheers.
On 10 Sep, 16:04, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> No No Lee it deals with it as a concept of prayer in reality.. it is
> interesting as it is avoiding
>
> the book is
> Basic Magick by Phillip Cooper
>
> it is working off the esoteric view point You = Belief = Life Energy
>
> Life energy is basically the force of creation. It is kind of a fascinating
> book to read and in a way it is dealing with the concept of effective prayer
> that works..
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:12 PM, [email protected] <
>
>
>
>
>
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Heh yeah but what kind of magic does it talk about?
>
> > You're basic like for like type where your manipulation of a substance
> > causes change in a similar, or afiliated substance?
> > Or perhaps runic, or chanting, danceing, trancing? What?
>
> > On 10 Sep, 12:01, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Oh ,, Lee it was the title of a book I bought years ago that has a very
> > > interesting view point on prayer I thought Francis might be interested
> > in
> > > reading.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM, [email protected] <
>
> > > [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Ohh what sort of basic magic?
>
> > > > On 9 Sep, 19:26, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > Me to and it does Francis
> > > > > Next time we see each other remind me to loan you one of my books
> > called
> > > > > basic magic,, put some new insights to prayer.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM, frantheman <
> > [email protected]
> > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > I'd be storming heaven with continuing rosaries for a successful
> > > > > > outcome for you Neil - now, if only I could start believing that
> > > > > > prayer works ...
>
> > > > > > Francis
>
> > > > > > On 9 Sep., 16:09, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > I got news of an interview for a job in Dubai today - it's next
> > > > > > > Monday. The job's being run by my old university. Good pay,
> > free
> > > > > > > accommodation and guaranteed sun and sobriety - an excellent
> > retreat
> > > > > > > to finish my books as long as the air conditioning holds out!
> > I'll
> > > > be
> > > > > > > out in the sticks (not that are any) about an hour from the
> > challenge
> > > > > > > of cold lager and an eon from the recession. Ahmadenadinejad
> > will be
> > > > > > > within grenade tossing distance across the Straights Of Homuz, so
> > I
> > > > > > > may adjust my view of the 6th Fleet and have to stop calling
> > > > Americans
> > > > > > > my colonial cousins! You may be right that we have a 'special
> > > > > > > relationship' Orn. One hopes the monks keep chanting until 3
> > p.m.
> > > > > > > 14.9.09 (BST). The work will probably encompass India too.
> > Fingers
> > > > > > > crossed, touching the wood, the scientist in me is shouting!
>
> > > > > > > On 9 Sep, 12:13, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 18:55, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Words from those wiser than I:
>
> > > > > > > > > "Listening not to me but to the LOGOS it is wise to agree
> > that
> > > > all
> > > > > > > > > things are one." - Heraclitus (ca. 535–475 BCE):
>
> > > > > > > > > "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act
> > responsibly,
> > > > while
> > > > > > > > > bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
>
> > > > > > > > > "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its
> > > > opponents
> > > > > > > > > and making them see the light, but rather because its
> > opponents
> > > > > > > > > eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is
> > familiar
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > > it." - Max Planck
>
> > > > > > > > > "The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is
> > the
> > > > > > > > > sensation of the mystical. He to whom this emotion is a
> > stranger,
> > > > who
> > > > > > > > > can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as
> > dead.
> > > > To
> > > > > > > > > know that what is impenetrable to us really exists,
> > manifesting
> > > > > > itself
> > > > > > > > > as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our
> > dull
> > > > > > > > > faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this
> > > > > > > > > knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religion."
> > -
> > > > Albert
> > > > > > > > > Einstein
>
> > > > > > > > Just thought I'd add in another Einstein quote, here: "Science
> > > > without
> > > > > > > > religion is lame; religion without science is blind."
>
> > > > > > > > > “There is no salvation in becoming adapted to a world which
> > is
> > > > > > crazy.”
> > > > > > > > > Henry Miller
>
> > > > > > > > > "Stuff happens." - Donald H. Rumsfeld
>
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 10:14 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bill - things have been tough enough for me to
> > really
> > > > > > > > > > appreciate the other 'odd balls' in here as a beacon of
> > hope.
> > > > As a
> > > > > > > > > > young boy I felt much the same about the USA (really),
> > > > confusing it
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > the beacon city on the hill. I thought you guys were so
> > > > democratic
> > > > > > > > > > you wouldn't even get patriotic about sport! One lives and
> > > > learns!
> > > > > > > > > > Possibly the only thing I can claim to have been really
> > good at
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > 'bad singing'. There has been a similar figure in my life
> > -
> > > > > > Howard,
> > > > > > > > > > an old-style socialist who did sing-song nights at a pub I
> > used
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > use.
> > > > > > > > > > Our grandson has just started secondary school and was so
> > > > impressed
> > > > > > > > > > with his first day he wanted to go back! His Catholic
> > primary
> > > > > > school
> > > > > > > > > > was about as good as we can manage. In the UK (with some
> > > > > > reservations
> > > > > > > > > > about prep schools), we seem to manage 'equality' quite
> > well to
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > point and keep things personal and neighbourly enough.
> > Things
> > > > go
> > > > > > sour
> > > > > > > > > > after this point and I do conclude that the suppression of
> > > > > > > > > > spirituality and communality after this stage is the key.
> > I'm
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > sure I ever coped with this and the discovery of the way of
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > world. I've been unrooted all my adult life and even now
> > miss
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > comradeship of disciplined service that replaced this, even
> > > > though
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > know the experience was traumatic - the trauma being very
> > much
> > > > post
> > > > > > > > > > the experience time itself. There is much we could be
> > building
> > > > on
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > my sense of this is almost marxist in terms of access to
> > and
> > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > > of the means of production - but I am only materialist in
> > > > believing
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > this as a means to spiritual being. Fromm put this as 'to
> > have
> > > > or
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > be' - there are plenty of arguments, but it often seems
> > little
> > > > to
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > other than as a missionary or martyr - I'll stop before
> > terms
> > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > 'strategic spirituality' start to come out of my management
> > > > speak
> > > > > > > > > > learning!
>
> > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep, 01:27, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I couldn’t stop thinking of Neil (and a few others here)
> > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > > listening to this wonderful story teller/man. No matter
> > ones
> > > > > > political
> > > > > > > > > > > views, my guess is that we all would love to have had him
> > as
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > neighbor and a friend.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > (It is a fairly long show…watch it when you have the
> > time.)
>
> >http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/7/the_golden_voice_of_the_great-Hi.
> > > > ..
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