Hey Pat, sounds like you're red-green colour blind like my son. ;-)
There is lots of turmoils over his illusory view of free will in our
house. But there is hope on the way:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/medicine/article6837392.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797084

On 16 Sep., 13:29, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 15 Sep, 20:32, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 15 Sep., 21:11, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > The FACT is, Lee, that the sun rises.  That IS the fact.  
>
> > Ah, but is it, Slip? The fact is also that the sun does,not rise but
> > rather that the earth turns. At least since Copernicus.
>
> > Francis
>
>   Cheers for that, Fran.  I would have piped in with the same thing.
> 'Appearances' can be deceiving, thus all the turmoil regarding my view
> of the illusory free will presented by a 4-D space-time.  People don't
> like to face 'facts' that don't already agree with their paradigmatic
> view.  It forces them to change their view, and most people, even in
> ignorant bliss, don't want to give that bliss up, even if the other
> side of the fence is no less green.  ESPECIALLY, in fact, if the grass
> is no more green.  ;-)
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