that is a great question Allan On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote:
> > God is beyond good and bad. Good by whos standards? Bad by who's > standards? > > On 28 Sep, 06:14, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Kipling one wrote "If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you but > make > > allowances for their doubting too" > > SD in my life I have been in many extreme environments, In the presence > of > > that moment it was real to me and that is how I view it. In one of these > > moments I meet "God" so right or wrong it is real to me.. no you will > not > > convince me differently. > > > > As for purgatory I can not help but wonder if it was a concept to allow > > condemning with out condemning, as for hell it is generally taken as a > place > > of eternal suffering and pain. > > As for talking to myself, not really don't have that much to say. > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Couldn't possibly comment on your experience but could only wonder how > > > you arrived at the conclusion that it was in fact a creator, the > > > creator or anything responsible for the creation of all things. > > > Obviously you are convinced of it and therefore there is not much left > > > to discuss but then again you leave a crack in the window by stating > > > even if you are totally wrong, a possibility or error. So which is > > > it? Are you totally convinced or are you really not sure about it? > > > Intense solitude in any environment can lead one's mind to strange > > > imaginations, conjuring beyond consciousness. You end of course with > > > another myth, that being hell, a place of human concept, care to toss > > > in heaven as well? How about purgatory? Spend much time talking to > > > yourself? > > > > > On Sep 27, 7:49 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > SD for me personally there is no implication as I have experienced > the > > > > creator.. a very personal thing,, and I expect no one to believe > because > > > of > > > > what I have experienced. > > > > To me access a dynamic connection ,, well it really is an on going > > > process > > > > and there is nothing wrong with striving toward our highest spiritual > > > > potential. SD even if I am totally wrong and there is nothing at all > I > > > have > > > > lost nothing at all ,, even then I have experienced great joy within > my > > > > present, that alone is of great value to me. > > > > Having sailed alone for many years on a small boat I have some what > > > > experienced solitude in it intensity ,, I can not imagine anything > > > worse > > > > than solitude without the hope and presence of the creator ( God ). I > can > > > > imagine nothing more horrifying than having no connection with the > > > creator > > > > at all. A solitude of emptiness... a hell beyond all concepts of > hell. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > But Molly's post is so vague and implies a creator. Access the > > > > > dynamic connection with creation. We don't even know if there > really > > > > > is a creation which implies a creator. Highest potentiality > doesn't > > > > > really define anything, it's just a phrase as is 'greater > > > > > posibility'. What exactly are you getting from it? Obviously if > you > > > > > have to examine it for weeks there really isn't much said. > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 10:05 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I like that thought well worth spending time in contemplation, > > > actually > > > > > > probably drive me nuts examining it for weeks, thank you > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Molly Brogan < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think we are looking for god, and we do this to access the > > > dynamic > > > > > > > connection with creation that allows our highest potentiality > and > > > > > > > greater possibility. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 3:16 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you SD, Peoples concepts of their > beliefs > > > are > > > > > > > lacking > > > > > > > > it seems often times are revealed in the words they pray it > seems > > > as > > > > > if > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > >hat thought I will have to tuck it away among my notes are the > > > boss > > > > > and > > > > > > > God's sole purpose is to serve them.. > > > > > > > > It leaves me wondering just what is God looking for in man > and > > > why? > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Slip Disc < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly the question and implication. Many people in good > > > fortune > > > > > > > > > attribute it to God and declare, "God has blessed us" but > later > > > on > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > life there is tragedy and horror, ergo, the blessing and > the > > > curse. > > > > > > > > > The idea of a loving God is, imo, absurd. It's makes as > much > > > sense > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > the purpose of dog or cock fights, the pitting of animals > for > > > > > > > > > entertainment. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 2:33 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ;o) interesting bless in the morning; curse in the > afternoon > > > > > > > > > > > > SD I am not God so trying to understand in terms I can > > > grasp.. > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > bless > > > > > > > > > > something in the morning ,... why would I want to curse > it in > > > the > > > > > > > > > afternoon? > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Slip Disc < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > God blesses in the morning and curses in the afternoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 25, 5:52 pm, Chris Jenkins < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/graham_oppy/god.html > > > > > > > > > > > > This article touches on a few points we've discussed > > > > > recently. > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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