“…Believe me, when you have over 150,000 people parading for an issue, when there are so many people around that the area becomes grid lock, people are going to listen, people who aren't there are going to pay attention, the news media is going to have a field day and the whole world will be watching and as a result millions of people start to voice there opinion…” – SD
Again, when this happens, it happens. On the other hand, in most countries, the US included, often media censorship cripples such movements by simply ignoring and/or imputing irrational motivations to such activities. Anyone remember the last 8 years? I participated in very large marches. I was able to see other marches of hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. However, this was ONLY by watching Democracy Now!, and using the internet. Corporate media here was silent overall. “…Breaking windows only hurts the people who have to call their insurance company and pay higher premiums, and aside from that it's vandalism. You can't get a point across by vandalizing someone's property. …” – SD Slip, while I do know what you are saying here and personally agree on the whole, I would suggest that often such ‘vandalism’ is the only way to gain people’s attention. Simple example: Boston Tea Party. Yes, there was underlying organization etc. And, I could present countless hypothetical ways to be ‘successful’ in a social movement using destruction of property. For the obvious reason(s), I hesitate to do so openly. “…Fact is that in this day and age of computer networking it is easier than ever to get together a few thousand people and organize a march. …” - SD Yes, most people now have new tools for networking. This includes and is dominated by those who do not need to go to the streets. For those who do use the net to coordinate marches etc., there is a very real threat of incarceration for doing so. Countless examples exist. Here is only a recent example. Do note that it was not carried on corporate TV. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/6/twitter_crackdown_nyc_activist_arrested_for Personal social commentary: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpqut_the-revolution-will-not-be-televise_music “…In the sixties it wasn't so easy but it worked with combined effort. Remember that in government there is always an authority of the authority. Do you think that when Martin Luther King organized a march on Washington he only had a few hundred people with him? What do you think would have happened if he showed up with 50 people, think about it….” – SD Absolutely Slip! The civil rights movement was very carefully organized from Rosa Parks who didn’t just decide unilaterally that day to ride in the front of the bus. It was only after years of activist organization and training that this historic event occurred. This is often tacitly ignored by many. Also, from a different view, those ‘brought to justice’ like James Earl Ray and Lee Harvey Oswald deny their involvement. Yes, this is common, to deny. And, the circumstance and historical events do present grave and large questions beyond any simple conspiracy theory is mentioned, a commonly used ad hominem. Today, with the grossly misnomered “Patriot Act”, satellite surveillance, cameras covering almost every square inch of ‘civilized’ nations and other technological advancements, I doubt that the US would have come about due to an original Tea Party type of activity. Given all of this, I agree that change often will and does take an organized and often large movement. Exceptions do come to mind. So, here’s to supporting your rallying cry Slip!!! “ Get with it, organize! “ – Slip Disk On Oct 15, 1:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Good to see you back participating again pol kid. > > Rallies are not much good when they are only conducted in small groups > which appear more like some disgruntled group of people and seems to > diminish the intensity of the issue. If you really want to get a > point across you have to have organization, a reach out program that > informs people of the issue, people who agree with your group. > Believe me, when you have over 150,000 people parading for an issue, > when there are so many people around that the area becomes grid lock, > people are going to listen, people who aren't there are going to pay > attention, the news media is going to have a field day and the whole > world will be watching and as a result millions of people start to > voice there opinion. Breaking windows only hurts the people who have > to call their insurance company and pay higher premiums, and aside > from that it's vandalism. You can't get a point across by vandalizing > someone's property. > Fact is that in this day and age of computer networking it is easier > than ever to get together a few thousand people and organize a march. > In the sixties it wasn't so easy but it worked with combined effort. > Remember that in government there is always an authority of the > authority. Do you think that when Martin Luther King organized a > march on Washington he only had a few hundred people with him? What > do you think would have happened if he showed up with 50 people, think > about it. Get with it, organize! > > On Oct 15, 9:16 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > dude! are peace rallies relevant.. i mean i've been in loads of > > rallies.. started to lose faith in them.. the authorities dont seem to > > give a damn unless you break some windows.. and when you do that you > > get arrested.. wats the point! > > > On Oct 11, 12:43 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I know the majority oppose the award given to President Obama, The Nobel > > > Peace Prize was created to promote peace. It is doing just what Alfred > > > Nobel > > > intended it to do . > > > > As for those that oppose President Obama getting it,, in the USA if I > > > remember right the majority supported the war in Iraq. Me I marched in the > > > peace demonstrations doing every thing I could to try and avoid the > > > private > > > Bush war. > > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:13 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > * A* *Journey of a Thousand Miles Begins > > > > With the First Step* > > > > ** > > > > The majority of those opposed to Obama winning the award are not anti > > > > Obama so much as they question the selection committees' timing. > > > > Premature > > > > is the word most associated with those who question the judges' > > > > judgment. > > > > Clearly it depends on one's perspective as to how the process that > > > > potentially results in peace comes about. > > > > > Between any noble idea and its realization is a continuum of incremental > > > > steps. > > > > > The idea of peace is a universal goal for most people who share the > > > > common > > > > ethic of live and let live. Doesn't everyone share that ethic? Of > > > > course we > > > > know that the answer to this question is a resounding no. > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
