I think we have to commit crime to get attention.  It would be great
to organise, but we can rarely do that.  I reckon we need (sadly)
stupid, strike-like protests that hold people trying to get on holiday
up and so on.  Better to have real democracy, but we don't.

On 15 Oct, 22:17, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> The problem Don is that we have as a society become too complacent and
> with the advent of split second computing and microwave cookery we
> just simply expect to have a beef about something and in a few minutes
> it all done just the way we like it.   The establishment?  Hah!  That
> is another problem, there is no more establishment, the government is
> in total disarray with way too many factions to allow for efficient
> governing.  Taxpayers simply fork over trillions of dollars so that
> people can sit around and argue, while the other portion goes off on
> wild military incursions.  If you haven't noticed by now, nothing ever
> get's resolved, it's just a perpetual quagmire of problems that need
> to be addressed, that is at the cost of lives and tax payers backs.
> And look now how one of our esteemed Chairman of the House Ways and
> Means Committee is caught in a Tax Fraud 
> Scandal.http://americaswatchtower.com/2008/09/05/charlie-rangel-caught-in-tax...
> He claimed he didn't know he was supposed to claim the income???
> Moron? Idiot? Both?
> These are supposed to be the people we trust to run our lives?   Hey!
> He's only one that has been exposed, who knows how many more of our
> esteemed royalty politicians are crooks.  Government has gotten
> toooooooooo big and in fact sooooooo big that no one really knows what
> in hell is going on anymore.  Let's not forget the $300 screwdrivers
> and $600 toilet seats that taxpayers were doling out on account of
> government dysfunction. I'm sure you are aware and I don't need to
> bring up Pork Barrel Spending and all the other Government Waste
> expenditures.
> Bottom line is that government has more money coming in than they know
> what to do with.  Imagine running your household the way these morons
> run the government! You would be out in the street in a few months.
>
> On Oct 15, 10:41 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm totally hip Dude.  It's like a real bummer.  These days you have
> > to do some serious damage to property and maybe really mess somebody
> > up and bust some heads to get a little attention brought to how badly
> > we need world peace.  The establishment just don't get it, man.  Sigh.
> >  It's tuff being an aging hippie...
>
> > dj
>
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:16 AM, pol.science kid <[email protected]> 
> > wrote:
>
> > > dude! are peace rallies relevant.. i mean i've been in loads of
> > > rallies.. started to lose faith in them.. the authorities dont seem to
> > > give a damn unless you break some windows.. and when you do that you
> > > get arrested.. wats the point!
>
> > > On Oct 11, 12:43 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> I know the majority oppose the award given to President Obama, The Nobel
> > >> Peace Prize was created to promote peace. It is doing just what Alfred 
> > >> Nobel
> > >> intended it to do .
>
> > >> As for those that oppose President Obama getting it,, in the USA if I
> > >> remember right the majority supported the war in Iraq. Me I marched in 
> > >> the
> > >> peace demonstrations doing every thing I could to try and avoid the 
> > >> private
> > >> Bush war.
> > >> Allan
>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:13 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > *                               A* *Journey of a Thousand Miles Begins
> > >> > With the First Step*
> > >> > **
> > >> >    The majority of those opposed to Obama winning the award are not 
> > >> > anti
> > >> > Obama so much as they question the selection committees' timing. 
> > >> > Premature
> > >> > is the word most associated with those who question the judges' 
> > >> > judgment.
> > >> > Clearly it depends on one's perspective as to how the process that
> > >> > potentially results in peace comes about.
>
> > >> > Between any noble idea and its realization is a continuum of 
> > >> > incremental
> > >> > steps.
>
> > >> > The idea of peace is a universal goal for most people who share the 
> > >> > common
> > >> > ethic of live and let live. Doesn't everyone share that ethic? Of 
> > >> > course we
> > >> > know that the answer to this question is a resounding no.
>
> > >> --
> > >> (
> > >>  )
> > >> I_D Allan- Hide quoted text -
>
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