" ... most have a dislike for Rand ... " Rand links money to effort at value creation and delivery. That is nothing to dislike. The dislike takes over when money itself becomes ' the ' value.
On Nov 22, 11:39 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > The term Randism or any such the like, encapsulates the whole, when in > all actuality I've expressed very little of any of it as having > pertinence, only for a specific point. One could have a dislike for > communism but my point is that when viewed in schematic way there may > be some component that seems reasonably sound. But we can leave it > there as most have a dislike for Rand and there are other sources to > cite. Back on the track, I do think much of the breakdown lies in the > lack of truth from 'demas' but mostly, for me, I see something that is > that wasn't supposed to be, the original design has been modified > beyond recognition, abridged to give new meaning to old words that > only retain the original spelling, like freedom. The puppet masters > pull the strings, the people dance to the tunes they are fed while > analysts calculate the receipts of the day. The task master whips the > production team to the limits to learn how much can be squeezed out, > how much people are willing to bear, how much they are willing to toil > for those who reap the spoils of their labor. How high a price for a > gallon before the scale tips, no longer in favor of the profiteers, > how high till the ink turns red? That became the benchmark from which > to perform the balancing act, but someone wasn't watching, blind faith > was put into trust, another empty word, and now the scales have > collapsed sending shock waves around the globe, a financial Tsunami > leaving millions dismayed with jaws agape in disbelief and founding > fathers rolling in graves. The towers are being rebuilt but only to > shore up the walls of the castle, the moat is still in place, the > people remain outside and function as always without change. The day > after elections the alarm clocks sound, the day begins like the day > before at the same place for the same pay. The only thing that > changes is the political rhetoric of fixing all the problems that the > other one caused, explanations and reasons for poverty and suffering > offered to the populace, the now we know what went wrong song. But I > guess the bright side might be that some are making money as political > pundits on talk shows and the people get to go online, piss and moan > in chat rooms and forums, spew their anger and blame in blogs, in a > whirlwind of blather that goes nowhere. So I too am putting in my > piece, my two cents or wee bit which might somehow cause a microscopic > ripple that one day becomes a wave of real change. > > On Nov 21, 7:08 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I go along almost all the way here Slip, though I don't like Randism. > > Truth eludes us in the absolute sense and I probably agree with Rorty > > that we wouldn't know when we had achieved it even if we could. One > > can look at Orn's citation of Emma Goldman and agree, yet see that the > > world's population has increased three-fold since we were kids, find > > no decent revolution anywhere and worry that certain types will soon > > be using the term 'carbon footprint' with the same callous intent > > carried by 'collateral damage'. Politics, as Slip says through > > Mencken, is screwed. > > > I'd slip off to the fact that we could now operate real-time feedback > > in evaluating what we are doing in order to be more truthful. > > Technology could get the banks and politicians off our backs and bring > > about more direct democracy that had no room for the 'demas'. The > > design of this would require that we take genuine looks at what goes > > on in terms of cover-up and manipulation. Yet how do we start when > > honesty is such a joke? > > > On 21 Nov, 16:33, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > “I don't find anyone to be anathema, I find the word harsh, > > > especially > > > based on opinionated views that don't coincide with yours. Sometimes > > > enlightenment can lead one into darkness, like the far right. > > > Impartiality is hand in hand with being open minded.” – SD > > > > Cool Slip!...you not finding anyone anathema and all. > > > > And, harsh or not, the term is a part of our language and as such has > > > specific uses. I mostly reserve it for those I sense are professing > > > things against humanity. Having impartially approached Ms. Rand in an > > > open-minded way, in fact I dare say as an idealist looking for new and > > > preferable ideologies and methodologies when I first read her decades > > > ago, my conclusion (for I do possess a discriminating mind) is > > > precisely as posted. > > > > “Our impartiality is kept for abstract merit and demerit, which none > > > of us ever saw.” – George Eliot > > > > “Do not waste your time on Social Questions. What is the matter with > > > the poor is Poverty; what is the matter with the rich is Uselessness.” > > > – George Bernard Shaw > > > > “The open mind never acts: when we have done our utmost to arrive at a > > > reasonable conclusion, we still…must close our minds for the moment > > > with a snap, and act dogmatically on our conclusions.” – George > > > Bernard Shaw > > > > = = = > > > “The ultimate end of all revolutionary social change is to establish > > > the sanctity of human life, the dignity of man, the right of every > > > human being to liberty and well-being” – Emma Goldman > > > > On Nov 21, 7:40 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I don't find anyone to be anathema, I find the word harsh, especially > > > > based on opinionated views that don't coincide with yours. Sometimes > > > > enlightenment can lead one into darkness, like the far right. > > > > Impartiality is hand in hand with being open minded. > > > > > The art of politics, under democracy, is simply the art > > > > of ringing it. Two branches reveal themselves. There > > > > is the art of the demagogue, and there is the art of what > > > > may be called, by a shot-gun marriage of Latin and Greek, > > > > the demaslave. They are complementary, and both of them > > > > are degrading to their practitioners. The demagogue is one > > > > who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he > > > > knows to be idiots. The demaslave is one who listens to > > > > what these idiots have to say and then pretends that he > > > > believes it himself. -- H.L. Mencken > > > > > On Nov 20, 11:20 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > As to Rand, I find her to be anathema. > > > > > > Truth is of value. Truth and reason are only one aspect of humanity > > > > > and thus any system based on a partial view of our ‘being’ will not > > > > > address the other aspects. > > > > > > Two kinds of democracy: > > > > > >http://www.encyclopedia.com/video/f9OP2YXKIFs-noam-chomsky-two-kinds-... > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > “Do not be alarmed, I have no dynamite in my pocket…Education is the > > > > > only bomb sanctioned by true anarchism, which stands for freedom in > > > > > the truest and highest sense.” – Emma Goldman > > > > > > On Nov 20, 4:56 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Truth be that it is and has been, but it doesn't seem to correlate > > > > > > with democracy and therefore we the people as has been demonstrated, > > > > > > have been duped and cajoled into what is basically a falsehood. > > > > > > Randian and Randism are terms that Ayn Rand detests and I can see > > > > > > that > > > > > > you could have just set it as Ayn Rand socioeconomics. The rest is > > > > > > based upon socialist and communist presumptions of a lack of inner > > > > > > light, and I agree, but they are not without validity if founded > > > > > > upon > > > > > > pure truth politics. Let's face it, no system works without truth > > > > > > within its tenets, which coincides with Rands tenet of Reason > > > > > > leading > > > > > > the way. The system of government within which we live in today > > > > > > does > > > > > > not reflect that of the government of reason that the founding > > > > > > fathers > > > > > > envisioned. Everyone loves to chew on Rand but you have to admit > > > > > > that > > > > > > some of it has value, even if it lies in the value of alternate > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 3:43 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The US has always been mostly an oligarchy with some fascist > > > > > > > tendencies. There has always been an extreme divide between the > > > > > > > socioeconomic classes with a short lessoning of this for a few > > > > > > > decades > > > > > > > last century. However during that era, the tax structure was the > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > progressive and the US reached its zenith economically during the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > time period. Those who embrace Ayn Randian socioeconomic theories > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > the neo-cons at once expand the economic divide and exacerbate > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > suffering with a lack of empathy and compassion, similar to pure > > > > > > > capitalism. Even when socialism and communism are founded on a > > > > > > > lack of > > > > > > > inner light and wisdom does a similar chaos and arising of non- > > > > > > > idealism result. The problem is not ‘out there’. We all have met > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > enemy and it is us. > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > > “Do not be alarmed, I have no dynamite in my pocket…Education is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > only bomb sanctioned by true anarchism, which stands for freedom > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the truest and highest sense.” – Emma Goldman > > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 6:54 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the > > > > > > > > wealthy > > > > > > > > out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > person must work for without receiving. The government cannot > > > > > > > > give to > > > > > > > > anybody anything that the government does not first take from > > > > > > > > somebody > > > > > > > > else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > work because the other half is going to take care of them, and > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work > > > > > > > > because > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=.
