I would point out Francis, that stirring the shit is environmentally
unsound (all that methane).  At the back of this stuff is the madness
of capitalism based on consumption and routine overbreeding.  Science
as a world-view has not caught on.

On 24 Nov, 23:29, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> In fact, I find nothing at all curious about the tactics (resistance)
> to dealing with things ecological when it comes to China and the US.
> As far as I can tell, in both cases the real power is to be found in
> multinational organizations and not provincial local politics. This is
> yet another example of the results of aspects of capitalism.
>
> And, regardless of cause, the effect of climate change is obvious.
> Here I have little doubt as to the human component when it comes to
> major aspects of the cause. As fran points out, even if it is just a
> little ‘help’, unless one is so very skeptical and stolid as to reject
> all efforts for change, perhaps even based on a belief in the need to
> cull the herd, quick and committed action is needed quite soon, like
> yesterday!
>
> While not literally true, the myth about putting a frog in cold water
> and slowly bringing it to a boil is instructive.
>
> On Nov 24, 1:17 pm, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On December 7 the climate summit in Copenhagen begins. Already, the
> > chances of it achieving anything worthwhile seem to be slim. While the
> > Europeans are pushing for concrete, binding levels of CO2-reduction, a
> > curious Sino-US alliance (backed by other Asian-Pacific countries)
> > seem intent on preventing the emergence of anything more than sonorous
> > platitudes.
>
> > I'm well aware that regular posters here have sharply differing views
> > on global warming, so I thought I might stir the s**t a bit :-) Here's
> > a link to the latest press release of a group of experts which sees
> > the situation as being even more dramatic than has been thought up to
> > now (the link also contains a further link to a download of the full
> > report in PDF-format).
>
> >http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.com/press.html
>
> > Of particular concern, it seems to me, are the figures relating to the
> > melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice-sheets, as well as the
> > Arctic sea ice and the consequent rise in sea-levels. If the prognosis
> > is even half-right here, both Alan and Chris are going to soon have to
> > put their houses on stilts! (Yes, Chris, I know you're not expecting
> > it.)
>
> > Francis

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