It is true we need fresh and (not ones that have been re-tried) On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:03 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote:
> “... I hold out little faith in education - this needs > disestablishment and new aims.” – archy > > I agree on both fronts. Yet, I have great difficulty seeing the > situation improve in *any* material way with such a large number of > illiterate people on earth. Of course, this may be part of your > recommended ‘disestablishment’ as well as ‘new aims’. > > > On Nov 24, 6:20 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Climate change is probably the best example of how a really dumb lay > > perspective on science flourishes. People scurry around trying to > > find the 'evidence' that fits their world-view instead of looking for > > material that may be discomforting and requires the establishment of a > > new view. Kyoto and Copenhagen demonstrate our leaders have no clue > > other than in the sense of politics Slip described using Mencken, The > > promises given are meaningless as the problem may be so severe that > > the answers lie in stuff like blotting out the Sun. Not far away from > > the hype the media encourages on this matter, we still seem to be > > hoping for 'economic recovery' on the old lines that have led to this > > and other problems. I hold out little faith in education - this needs > > disestablishment and new aims. > > > > On 25 Nov, 01:03, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > “… Science as a world-view has not caught on.” – archy > > > > > And, as far as I can see, this reality will only grow as education is > > > routinely dismantled in the west and the average of those in some > > > Islamic countries continues to decline, being, what, 23 or so now? Of > > > course, while ‘we’ see all of the hype and ‘advances’ when it comes to > > > education of females, I hold little hope for this on a large scale. > > > > > On Nov 24, 4:06 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I would point out Francis, that stirring the shit is environmentally > > > > unsound (all that methane). At the back of this stuff is the madness > > > > of capitalism based on consumption and routine overbreeding. Science > > > > as a world-view has not caught on. > > > > > > On 24 Nov, 23:29, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > In fact, I find nothing at all curious about the tactics > (resistance) > > > > > to dealing with things ecological when it comes to China and the > US. > > > > > As far as I can tell, in both cases the real power is to be found > in > > > > > multinational organizations and not provincial local politics. This > is > > > > > yet another example of the results of aspects of capitalism. > > > > > > > And, regardless of cause, the effect of climate change is obvious. > > > > > Here I have little doubt as to the human component when it comes to > > > > > major aspects of the cause. As fran points out, even if it is just > a > > > > > little ‘help’, unless one is so very skeptical and stolid as to > reject > > > > > all efforts for change, perhaps even based on a belief in the need > to > > > > > cull the herd, quick and committed action is needed quite soon, > like > > > > > yesterday! > > > > > > > While not literally true, the myth about putting a frog in cold > water > > > > > and slowly bringing it to a boil is instructive. > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 1:17 pm, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On December 7 the climate summit in Copenhagen begins. Already, > the > > > > > > chances of it achieving anything worthwhile seem to be slim. > While the > > > > > > Europeans are pushing for concrete, binding levels of > CO2-reduction, a > > > > > > curious Sino-US alliance (backed by other Asian-Pacific > countries) > > > > > > seem intent on preventing the emergence of anything more than > sonorous > > > > > > platitudes. > > > > > > > > I'm well aware that regular posters here have sharply differing > views > > > > > > on global warming, so I thought I might stir the s**t a bit :-) > Here's > > > > > > a link to the latest press release of a group of experts which > sees > > > > > > the situation as being even more dramatic than has been thought > up to > > > > > > now (the link also contains a further link to a download of the > full > > > > > > report in PDF-format). > > > > > > > >http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.com/press.html > > > > > > > > Of particular concern, it seems to me, are the figures relating > to the > > > > > > melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice-sheets, as well as the > > > > > > Arctic sea ice and the consequent rise in sea-levels. If the > prognosis > > > > > > is even half-right here, both Alan and Chris are going to soon > have to > > > > > > put their houses on stilts! (Yes, Chris, I know you're not > expecting > > > > > > it.) > > > > > > > > Francis- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
