“... I hold out little faith in education - this needs disestablishment and new aims.” – archy
I agree on both fronts. Yet, I have great difficulty seeing the situation improve in *any* material way with such a large number of illiterate people on earth. Of course, this may be part of your recommended ‘disestablishment’ as well as ‘new aims’. On Nov 24, 6:20 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Climate change is probably the best example of how a really dumb lay > perspective on science flourishes. People scurry around trying to > find the 'evidence' that fits their world-view instead of looking for > material that may be discomforting and requires the establishment of a > new view. Kyoto and Copenhagen demonstrate our leaders have no clue > other than in the sense of politics Slip described using Mencken, The > promises given are meaningless as the problem may be so severe that > the answers lie in stuff like blotting out the Sun. Not far away from > the hype the media encourages on this matter, we still seem to be > hoping for 'economic recovery' on the old lines that have led to this > and other problems. I hold out little faith in education - this needs > disestablishment and new aims. > > On 25 Nov, 01:03, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “… Science as a world-view has not caught on.” – archy > > > And, as far as I can see, this reality will only grow as education is > > routinely dismantled in the west and the average of those in some > > Islamic countries continues to decline, being, what, 23 or so now? Of > > course, while ‘we’ see all of the hype and ‘advances’ when it comes to > > education of females, I hold little hope for this on a large scale. > > > On Nov 24, 4:06 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I would point out Francis, that stirring the shit is environmentally > > > unsound (all that methane). At the back of this stuff is the madness > > > of capitalism based on consumption and routine overbreeding. Science > > > as a world-view has not caught on. > > > > On 24 Nov, 23:29, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In fact, I find nothing at all curious about the tactics (resistance) > > > > to dealing with things ecological when it comes to China and the US. > > > > As far as I can tell, in both cases the real power is to be found in > > > > multinational organizations and not provincial local politics. This is > > > > yet another example of the results of aspects of capitalism. > > > > > And, regardless of cause, the effect of climate change is obvious. > > > > Here I have little doubt as to the human component when it comes to > > > > major aspects of the cause. As fran points out, even if it is just a > > > > little ‘help’, unless one is so very skeptical and stolid as to reject > > > > all efforts for change, perhaps even based on a belief in the need to > > > > cull the herd, quick and committed action is needed quite soon, like > > > > yesterday! > > > > > While not literally true, the myth about putting a frog in cold water > > > > and slowly bringing it to a boil is instructive. > > > > > On Nov 24, 1:17 pm, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On December 7 the climate summit in Copenhagen begins. Already, the > > > > > chances of it achieving anything worthwhile seem to be slim. While the > > > > > Europeans are pushing for concrete, binding levels of CO2-reduction, a > > > > > curious Sino-US alliance (backed by other Asian-Pacific countries) > > > > > seem intent on preventing the emergence of anything more than sonorous > > > > > platitudes. > > > > > > I'm well aware that regular posters here have sharply differing views > > > > > on global warming, so I thought I might stir the s**t a bit :-) Here's > > > > > a link to the latest press release of a group of experts which sees > > > > > the situation as being even more dramatic than has been thought up to > > > > > now (the link also contains a further link to a download of the full > > > > > report in PDF-format). > > > > > >http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.com/press.html > > > > > > Of particular concern, it seems to me, are the figures relating to the > > > > > melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice-sheets, as well as the > > > > > Arctic sea ice and the consequent rise in sea-levels. If the prognosis > > > > > is even half-right here, both Alan and Chris are going to soon have to > > > > > put their houses on stilts! (Yes, Chris, I know you're not expecting > > > > > it.) > > > > > > Francis- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
