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On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:33 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Beethoven's 9th is a wonderful example Francis. Sue and I 'saw' (much > more than heard) a wonderful amateur performance in Portugal last > year. I too am off up the wooden hill, but I'll venture one of my old > chestnuts. I have long wanted the Robin Hood myth to be true in the > sense of wanting to know its hold on some of us. In one example, only > Will Scarlet, the most rough and ready in this characterisation, is > not swooned by King Richard (played by a possibly pissed Brian > Blessed) and wouldn't trust any of the upper class Normans as long as > he could draw breath. In another, the Sheriff of Nottingham is the > real hero, trying to change things through collaboration and education > (Robin being more of a charismatic prat getting us all killed in > hopeless and doomed revolution). In the first, Will saves the others, > in the second charisma fails. Orn displays some characteristics of > this myth, though is not pretending to be a millennial charismatic. I > am still impressed by the Monkey and Water Margins series, with > statements like 'to oppose an oppressor is to support him'. The > current BBC series 'Spooks' seems to me an example of the opposite and > written by establishment gooks purveying the neo-con line. There is a > question as to how we make simplexity not about gullible > reinforcement, but wiser interpretation. I want to find ways to > shorten argumentation, yet know this is too often done through terror > and suppression. > > On 22 Nov, 22:51, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 22 Nov., 06:01, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:> I > share your idealism Neil… even when it came to Occham….until I > > > noticed that when applied to itself, the razor disappears. > > > > This dialogue between Neil and Orn has set all kinds of ideas sparking > > in my mind - I need more time to let many of them work and come to > > some sort of fruit. Some brief comments: > > > > Master William's sharp instrument is a very useful tool. But we should > > remain aware of its nature - as a tool - and, as every good handworker > > knows, not every tool is appropriate for every occasion. There's a > > word Neil has used here a couple of times, "simplexity", which I like. > > There is often wonderful complexity in simple things, and simplicity > > too in the complex. There is, I hope, some kind of truth to be > > obtained through reason (and it is here that Occam's razor works > > best). But there are also truths which express themselves in art, > > music, literature, poetry. Ginsberg's "Howl" and Joyce's "Ulysses" > > come to mind, as do Monet's "Water Lilies," Beethoven's 9th Symphony > > and Pink Floyd's "Saucerful of Secrets." Just examples. Life, both > > individual and common, is as much an artwork to be experienced as it > > is a problem (or problems) to be solved. As Molly has put it (although > > the words here are mine) we need to sustain the paradoxes put forward > > by not rejecting one in favour of the other. Holding on to the > > apparent opposites, while letting everything go. > > > > Not very clear, I know, but I can't put it better than this at the > > moment. As Pepys put it, and so to bed! > > > > Francis > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
