Because it is in the Bible in this frame period of time. because it was foretold..
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > She sort of reminds me of reality TV and > > the increasing desire of many people to see themselves in the public > > eye. -Arch > > I agree mostly. I don't agree she's an idiot but this whole Sarah > saga definitely has the reality tv feel to it. I agree she makes a > horrible national politician and I think it's one of the reasons she > gets so much tv exposure. If she were a real live viable candidate > like a Newt Gingrich you would ONLY see her on FNC and then not very > often. I think she is being smart for herself and for her family by > milking the cash cow so willingly provided by the MSM. I DO NOT want > her on the republican ticket or stealing votes as a Conservative. We > will see what happens. It is interesting to watch. > > I don't get why thinking Jews will flock to Isreal is a 'end of the > world' type thought. I would think the opposite. The world would be > a much safer place if the Middle East weren't a hot bed of crazy > religious folk trying to kill Jews or 'drive them into the sea.' When > Israel is safe then Jews will flock there. Not in my life time I > think. > > Wish I had more time to read all the posts some of this is > interesting. Hope everyone had a good Turkey Day! > > dj > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:28 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Palin is an idiot. It is very scary that such figures have any > > popularity. 'International money' probably is the problem. It seems > > increasingly sourced for and in wars. The idea of Jews wanting to > > flock to Israel seems to fly in the face of reality. Palin is > > probably just cashing up. She sort of reminds me of reality TV and > > the increasing desire of many people to see themselves in the public > > eye. > > > > On 24 Nov, 09:47, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> By Bruce Wilson > >> Posted on November 21, 2009, Printed on November 23, 2009 > http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/www.alternet.org/144111/ > >> > >> There's some acceptance<http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/ > >> archives/2009/11/sarah_palin_a...>that > >> statements such as Sarah Palin's prediction that Jews will soon be > >> "flocking to Israel" may indicate Palin holds apocalyptic beliefs. > >> What's > >> not understood is that she's closely associated with a religious > >> tendency<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/114652/6239>whose > >> leaders promote anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, including one most > >> commonly used by the Third Reich, in the 1930's and 1940's, to whip up > >> anti-Semitic hatreds: the claim that a worldwide cabal of Jewish > >> bankers > >> manipulates the world economy and preys on working classes. > >> > >> Stumping for her new autobiography, Sarah Palin has made a round of > >> interviews with high profile media figures such as Oprah Winfrey and > >> Barbara > >> Walters. In the Walters > >> interview<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXuBIyJsbCE>Palin justified > >> her support for expansion of Jewish settler enclaves on > >> Israel's West Bank with a strange prediction. Walters asked, "Now > >> let's talk > >> about some issues - the Middle East. The Obama Administration does not > >> want > >> Israel to build any more settlements on what they consider Palestinian > >> territory. What is your view on this ?" Palin responded, "I disagree > >> with > >> the Obama Administration on that. I believe that, um, the Jewish > >> settlements > >> should be allowed to be expanded upon because the population of Israel > >> is > >> going to grow. More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel > >> in the > >> days and weeks and months ahead." > >> > >> Why might Palin's prediction come to pass ? > >> > >> In the 1920's and 1930's, rising anti-Semitism was propelled, in part, > >> by > >> conspiracy theories alleging that Jewish bankers such as the > >> Rothschild > >> banking family controlled both the German and world economies through > >> the > >> manipulation of global money markets. Leaders in Sarah Palin's > >> religious > >> tendency have for years been promoting extremely similar conspiracy > >> theories. Some of these allege that the Rothschild banking family > >> heads an > >> international conspiracy that dominates much of the world economy and > >> controls the U.S.economy through the Federal Reserve. > >> > >> In the 1980's and 1990's that conspiracy theory was folded into a > >> apocalyptic meta-conspiracy narrative claiming that Jews and > >> "Illuminati" > >> controlled, or were close to controlling, the US government and were > >> plotting to implement a "New World Order." The narrative went on to > >> claim > >> that the Jewish/Illuminati conspiracy was imminently ready to call up > >> hundreds of thousands of foreign troops hidden on US army bases and in > >> National Parks, who would round up patriotic Christians and pack them > >> into > >> trains which would bring them to internment camps where, in some > >> versions of > >> the narratives, those Christians would be slaughtered via machine > >> guns, > >> guillotines, ovens, or poison gas. > >> > >> While there are secular versions of that New World Order meta- > >> conspiracy > >> narrative, most of the narratives are rooted in Christian apocalyptic > >> end-time narratives that envision, with the coming of the New World > >> Order, > >> the rise of a murderous, tyrannical anti-Christ figure. But the fusion > >> of > >> anti-Jewish conspiracy theory with an anti-Christ narrative has > >> precedent. > >> > >> The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, probably the single most > >> destructive > >> work of anti-Jewish propaganda ever created, was first popularized > >> through > >> being printed as the final chapter in Russian Orthodox priest Sergei > >> Nilus' > >> 1905 book *The Great within the Small and Antichrist, an Imminent > >> Political > >> Possibility. Notes of an Orthodox Believer*. Alfred Rosenberg, > >> Hitler's > >> chief ideologist, tells of being given a copy of Nilus' book in 1917, > >> while > >> Rosenberg was studying in Moscow. > >> > >> In short, this comes around to a concept widely promoted by Christian > >> Zionists such as Christians United For Israel > >> <http://www.cufi.org/>Founder, Texas megachurch pastor John Hagee, of > >> the "fishers > >> and hunters <http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/2/115153/281/>": > >> > >> *"Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall > >> fish > >> them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them > >> from > >> every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the > >> rocks."* - > >> Jeremiah 16:16, KJV > >> > >> Hagee and other Christian Zionists interpret that Biblical passage > >> from the > >> Book of Jeremiah as a prophecy which applies to current-day Jews > >> worldwide. > >> > >> Christian Zionists <http://www.talk2action.org/story/ > >> 2009/11/2/141343/402>, > >> broadly speaking, are Christians who think God wills it that all Jews > >> live > >> in Israel - and who go to elaborate lengths to bring that about. > >> Regardless > >> of whatever differences there might be between John Hagee's and Sarah > >> Palin's respective brands of Christianity, the two seem to share a > >> narrative > >> common to Christian Zionist theology, that a terrible upwelling of > >> anti-Jewish hatred will in the end-times cause Jewish citizens of > >> every > >> nation on Earth to make aliyah and move to Israel. > >> > >> "Fishers" are, in that expected scenario, evangelists who try to > >> convert > >> Jews to Christianity and coax them to move to Israel. "Hunters" are > >> overt > >> anti-Semites who will come to hunt and kill those Jews who have not > >> listened > >> to the "fishers" and moved to Israel. > >> > >> John Hagee's controversial<http://www.talk2action.org/story/ > >> 2008/5/15/141520/281>late > >> 2005 "God sent Hitler" sermon, which in May 2008 caused > >> then-presidential candidate John McCain to > >> renounce<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/us/politics/23hagee.html>a > >> long-sought political endorsement from Hagee, was more gratuitously > >> offensive, even, than the general public was aware. During the > >> internationally televised sermon, as Hagee asserted Adolf Hitler and > >> the > >> Nazis were hunters sent by God to chase Europe's Jews towards > >> Palestine, > >> pastor Hagee pantomimed holding a rifle aimed at, presumably, those > >> hunted > >> Jews. > >> > >> [*below: in internationally broadcast last 2005 sermon, Christians > >> United > >> For Israel founder John Hagee outlines his beliefs on the meaning of > >> the > >> Biblical scripture of Jeremiah 16:16*] > >> > >> http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/144111/what_sarah_palin%27s_%22je. > .. > >> > >> Paradoxically, while "fishers" such as John Hagee decry overt acts of > >> hatred > >> and violence directed at Jews, they also promote various anti-Jewish > >> myths, > >> slurs, and conspiracy theories that foster anti-Semitism. The same > >> grotesque > >> paradox surfaces in Sarah Palin's religious tendency as well. > >> > >> In September 2008, shortly after John McCain had picked Sarah Palin as > >> a > >> running mate, footage surfaced from an October 2005 ceremony, held at > >> what > >> many argue is by far Sarah Palin's most important church, the Wasilla > >> Assembly of God. In the footage, saved by a blogger before the church > >> partially scrubbed video and audio of past sermons and events from its > >> website archive, Kenyan evangelist Thomas Muthee officiated over a > >> strange > >> ceremony in which Muthee and two other pastors blessed and anointed > >> Sarah > >> Palin and called upon God to protect her from "every spirit of > >> witchcraft."<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBrU7SwQbe0#t=2m19s> > >> > >> Before the ceremony Muthee gave a short speech, during which he > >> advocated > >> that the Christian church should "infiltrate" seven key sectors of > >> society<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4HIc-yfgM#t=30s>(including > >> business, government, education, and media). During that speech, > >> Muthee claimed <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4HIc-yfgM#t=1m29s> > >> that > >> "Israelites" "run the economics" of America. But Bishop Muthee's > >> apparently > >> anti-Jewish attack was mild compared to those of some of his > >> colleagues. > >> Muthee is a prominent > >> celebrity<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/20/171755/145/>in > >> the religious movement described below. > >> > >> Sarah Palin's least scrutinized but arguably most significant > >> religious > >> influence, is Alaskan evangelist Mary > >> Glazier<http://www.alternet.org/blogs/politics/144005/palin > >> %27s_prayer_leader...>, > >> whose personal prayer group Palin joined in 1989 according to > >> Glazier<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5kLreAmgGE#t=1m43s>(linked > >> Glazier talk from June 13, 2008 conference held near Seattle). > >> Multiple sources including a January 2009 > >> article<http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/features/2009/january/ > >> 20101-the-...>in > >> what has become the flagship magazine for American charismatic > >> Christians, Charisma, have confirmed the Palin-Glazier relationship > >> continued into 2008. Glazier's prayer warriors began praying for Sarah > >> Palin's political success nearly two decades ago because, as Glazier > >> was > >> quoted in the Charisma article, "We felt then that she was the one God > >> had > >> selected." > >> > >> As I've described in a recent Talk To Action > >> story<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/11/16/172837/58>, > >> late in September 2008 Mary Glazier sent out, through her personal > >> prayer > >> networks, a "prophetic warning" suggesting that a tragic act of > >> terrorism > >> might soon leave Sarah Palin alone with the American flag, "stepping > >> into an > >> office that she was mantled for." Glazier's warning appeared to > >> suggest that > >> John McCain would win the 2008 election but be killed in a terrorist > >> attack, > >> leaving Sarah Palin to become president. > >> > >> Mary Glazier is no random evangelist - she is a high level leader and > >> a > >> prophet <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWvCUIdT3QU#t=1m52s> in the > >> rapidly > >> coalescing religious movement known as the New Apostolic > >> Reformation<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/5/28/19033/8502>. > >> Glazier is also an "apostle" in its central leadership group, the > >> International > >> Coalition of Apostles <http://www.apostlesnet.net/>, formed in 2001. > >> In a > >> January 7th, 2009 appearance at the Wasilla Assembly of God, Glazier's > >> fellow ICA apostle Dutch Sheets credited > >> Glazier<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWvCUIdT3QU#t=1m15s>with > >> bringing the New Apostolic Reformation to Alaska. At least 5 leaders > >> in > >> the movement, including three ICA apostles, have appeared at the > >> Wasilla > >> Assembly of God. In June 2008, Sarah Palin spent Alaska State travel > >> funds > >> to fly from Juneau to the Mat-Su Valley, to > >> attend<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/7/17/111343/893/>two > >> Wasilla Assembly of God related events. > >> > >> There are over 500 apostles in the ICA, some of whom promote anti- > >> Jewish > >> bigotry on an industrial scale. Some of Glazier's fellow apostles, > >> such as Cindy > >> Jacobs <http://www.generals.org/>, pepper their public speeches with > >> anti-Jewish slurs <http://www.youtube.com/watch? > >> v=Xges7mFi6iY#t=8m26s>. > >> Other ICA apostles incite anti-Jewish hatred in a more focused manner. > >> > >> ICA Apostle Tom Hess, who runs a messianic ministry in Jerusalem, has > >> sent > >> out worldwide, by his own accounting over 800,000 copies, in 24 > >> different > >> languages, of a book entitled "Let My People Go!" According to Hess > >> 500,000 > >> of those copies have been distributed in America. As I > >> wrote<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/12/25/124734/30/>in > >> September 2007, > >> > >> If you were one of the... Jewish Americans who received "Let My People > >> Go: > >> The Struggle Of The American Jew To Come Home To > >> Israel"<http://www.morningstarministries.org/Shop/Sections/Items/ > >> Item.aspx?it...>in > >> the > >> mail<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php? > >> az=view_all&...>the > >> first thing you probably would have noticed would have been the cover > >> of > >> the book, which features a somewhat crude drawing of a man in a > >> business > >> suit, with a briefcase, straining against numerous ropes tying him to > >> a > >> signpost which reads "Wall Street". There are so many of these ropes > >> that > >> it's quite obvious the man will never be able to break them simply by > >> straining. If you had bothered to read the book, rather than simply > >> tossing > >> it in the trash, you'd have found no ambiguity ; the book says that > >> the man > >> on the cover is supposed to be Jewish, and it's hard to escape the > >> implication that "Let My People Go" begins, and quite noisily so, with > >> the > >> premise that Jews, as a people, are bound to materialism, selfish and > >> greedy. > >> > >> Rivaling, or perhaps surpassing, Tom Hess is ICA apostle Jim Ammerman, > >> who > >> presides over between six and eight percent of the chaplains in the > >> United > >> States military, claims high level contacts in the Pentagon, and who > >> September 2008 issued a thinly veiled > >> threat<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/6/23/111516/011>against > >> the lives of Democratic senators Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, > >> Biden, and Dodd. > >> > >> Ammerman played an important role in inciting the 1990's militia > >> movement - > >> through barnstorming national tours, under the auspices of a Topeka, > >> Kansas, > >> Christian ministry called The Prophecy Club, during which Ammerman > >> deployed > >> an elaborate anti-Semitic conspiracy > >> theory<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/6/22/115820/165>claiming > >> that the United States government, controlled by evil forces, was > >> imminently ready to declare martial law, round up dissenting > >> Americans, and > >> herd them into concentration camps. Ammerman claimed to have a "high > >> level > >> security clearance." Behind the evil > >> conspiracy<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/5/20/17201/4681>, > >> claimed Ammerman, were Rothschilds and other international Jewish > >> banking > >> concerns. > >> > >> I began this story by mentioning John Hagee for what was a less-than- > >> casual > >> reason. Like Jim Ammerman, John Hagee also distributes, on a worldwide > >> scale, conspiracy theory claiming that Rothschilds control > >> America<http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/6/16/163859/055/>through > >> the Federal Reserve. Hagee's conspiracy theory-laden sermons go out > >> on Christian broadcast networks that according to John Hagee's > >> official > >> biography reach 190 countries around the globe. According to Jim > >> Ammerman, > >> he and John Hagee are good friends who sometimes go out for lunch. > >> > >> Both Jim Ammerman and John Hagee have promoted, on a mass scale, > >> conspiracy > >> theories alleging Jewish bankers rule the world. Recently, famed > >> Holocaust > >> survivor, scholar, author, and Nobel Prize winner Elie Wiesel gave a > >> keynote > >> address <http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/10/24/131516/27> at one > >> of > >> John Hagee's church events. According to the > >> ADL<http://www.adl.org/special_reports/control_of_fed/ > >> fed_rothschild.asp>, > >> claims that Rothschilds head such an alleged conspiracy amount to a > >> "classic > >> anti-Semitic myth." > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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