Yes I agree in whole. I often wonder if there would be any crimes of burglary and theft if all of poverty was non existent. Would I have to worry about locking my door if all my neighbors had everything I had. If I had the means to provide for everyone there would be no need for me to worry about my things. The problem to overcome is the want and need for those who thrive on greed, the necessity of amassing great wealth, accumulation of more than one can use in a lifetime. Yunus is right in that poverty is a creation of humanity, something that came out of our tribal pasts. Its hard to feel human when we are constantly pushed into the machine that grinds out global economies. The life blood is sucked out of our youth in a whirlpool of toil until we are feeble minded seniors hoping we saved enough pennies to buy our box. Is it time for the guillotine again, the removal of the aristocracy, the political task masters? Is Yunus on a utopic dreamscape? How will this transformation come about? The banks (loan sharks) will of course at some point in time see an end to their lucrative system try to thwart any idea that leads to their demise. I'm all for the concept of ending poverty and in fact couldn't understand why the government in an attempt to stimulate the economy, gave billions of dollars to banks when all they had to do was give billions of dollars to the people. The people pay off their mortgages and car notes and then go on spending sprees which stimulate the economy. Its that simple. But I think there is a huge difference between their economy and our economy.
On Dec 9, 1:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > This is the position we need to be working from Orn. I was at a > session for self-employed people yesterday and BS aside you could feel > that people present wanted to contribute not just scrabble for cash. > Yet sadly this was what the session was about. My own desire not to > work for anyone else is driven by a desire not to be part of quite > dreadful conditions in employment that deny my integrity (flawed as I > accept it is) and almost any chance to be human. I sort of want > something a bit like the 'free table' of Plato or Aristotle, though am > nauseated by any thought of a slavery base for this. I like Kibbutz > ideas. There are deeper, wider issues though. > I feel privileged when you bring matters such as this to our table > mate. And when Chris brings reminders that there is an industry of > such. By the time I've done my thinking on the ideal, I recognise > there is much organisation to be done and that we do not reach an > ideal. Sooner or later issues like population control enter and one > realises the ideal brings practical responsibilities. This should not > stop us. > > On 8 Dec, 14:18, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > A very interesting view: > > > ... > > MUHAMMAD YUNUS: I believe that, totally, poverty is not part of human > > being, that is my first premise, so if it not part of human being the > > real human being will emerge some day, it is the stupidity of human > > being that created poverty, so stupidity can not go on, the real > > creativity of human being will take over the stupidity and it will > > completely eliminate it and this is the century when it will happen. > > And it can be done, it's not a, a kind of a pipe dream or some > > fantastic thing, it's possible because it's us who make the difference > > and if we can create the structures to do that; people will raise > > themselves out of poverty, just like that. Human beings created to do > > much bigger things than struggle with food and clothes and some tiny > > little thing. These are matters of past, these are pre-historic thing. > > Real history will begin when there are no such things. > > ... > > > The entire interview is > > at:http://www.abc.net.au/tv/elders/transcripts/s2757468.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
