I consider poverty and hunger to be a form of warfare. Humanity at its lowest rung.
On Dec 9, 5:26 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > True. One fundamental is : enough among us need to be capable of > better decision - making on moment - to - moment basis, day after day, > wherever we are, however placed and situated. > > Demonstrable Eligibility : To be doing the least harm to himself, his > family, his society ; capability to add significantly through > practise of one profession or another is preferred. > > Strong Ineligibility : Excessive subscription to nationality, race, > religion, caste or creed, lineage or clique, or to any one way of > life, culture or thought, to the exclusion of others. > > Organisation : Oneself. > > Which is where I see we might be failing, severely. Proof : we have > so much unclear, incompetence, and so much * to criticise ! * > > Much is happening, I guess. There are organisations galore, but no > organisation can make us take better decisions. For many of us, by > choice, there are no real organisations to look up to. > > On Dec 9, 2:42 pm, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Theoretically, it's all so easy, isn't it? I have no doubt that our > > present global productivity and resources are sufficient to supply > > even our oversized population with secure subsistence; as Neil defines > > it, "enough to eat, shelter, warmth, collectivity, > > education, health care, honest policing and legal protection." The > > current contrast between useless superfluity and want is often > > obscene.http://www.manetti.it/web/eng/edible/bin/ > > > The problem is getting from here to there. > > > Francis > > > On 9 Dez., 09:46, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the concept of karma is > > > not valid. Otherwise all those people would already have > > > metamorphosised into cockroaches. Or perhaps they have, on the > > > inside ... not Gabby, but from a Guardian blog. > > > I have seen a lot of material over the years on getting rid of > > > poverty. 'Critical Perspectives in Accounting' has produced a few, > > > including a penny on income tax as enough (a Foucauldian perspective). > > > There is a critical side to this kind of dream and I wouldn't engage > > > with it to knock the dream. The first horrible fact is that > > > interventions have produced a great many more people in poverty simply > > > through the use of medicine, decent water supply (not always so > > > decent) and improved agriculture. It would have been more sensible to > > > cap the population back in the 1950s. We haven't grasped this nettle > > > even now. > > > Our general notion of improving matters is more of the same through > > > consuming capitalism - this means our thinking is that of idiots. > > > I like the idea of enough to eat, shelter, warmth, collectivity, > > > education, health care, honest policing and legal protection - and > > > that these should come 'free'. They should be free in the sense of us > > > contributing what we can to all this as a 'responsibility' (all of us, > > > with no exceptions - this raising problems with disability, but not > > > insurmountable ones). Freeriding should not be possible either by > > > scrotes or through wealth. This should be national (international) > > > service - something we all do (do, not just pay for). > > > What we do that is more than this should not wreck the world. > > > > Even at this stage there are many objections that can be raised. What > > > would motivation be in such a society, what grim bureaucracies might > > > make things worse, what sadness might we cause for those wanting > > > massive numbers of children and so on? Would we crush the very > > > creativity we need or create more space for it? I'd want to limit any > > > earnings or establish a potlach to allow personal kudos in > > > accumulation, but one that comes to a collective end. Would this > > > destroy the world because bweankers (this sort of describes bean > > > counting and the onamism of bankers) could not be bothered to do > > > anything without motivational bonuses? > > > > On 9 Dec, 07:57, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This is the position we need to be working from Orn. I was at a > > > > session for self-employed people yesterday and BS aside you could feel > > > > that people present wanted to contribute not just scrabble for cash. > > > > Yet sadly this was what the session was about. My own desire not to > > > > work for anyone else is driven by a desire not to be part of quite > > > > dreadful conditions in employment that deny my integrity (flawed as I > > > > accept it is) and almost any chance to be human. I sort of want > > > > something a bit like the 'free table' of Plato or Aristotle, though am > > > > nauseated by any thought of a slavery base for this. I like Kibbutz > > > > ideas. There are deeper, wider issues though. > > > > I feel privileged when you bring matters such as this to our table > > > > mate. And when Chris brings reminders that there is an industry of > > > > such. By the time I've done my thinking on the ideal, I recognise > > > > there is much organisation to be done and that we do not reach an > > > > ideal. Sooner or later issues like population control enter and one > > > > realises the ideal brings practical responsibilities. This should not > > > > stop us. > > > > > On 8 Dec, 14:18, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A very interesting view: > > > > > > ... > > > > > MUHAMMAD YUNUS: I believe that, totally, poverty is not part of human > > > > > being, that is my first premise, so if it not part of human being the > > > > > real human being will emerge some day, it is the stupidity of human > > > > > being that created poverty, so stupidity can not go on, the real > > > > > creativity of human being will take over the stupidity and it will > > > > > completely eliminate it and this is the century when it will happen. > > > > > And it can be done, it's not a, a kind of a pipe dream or some > > > > > fantastic thing, it's possible because it's us who make the difference > > > > > and if we can create the structures to do that; people will raise > > > > > themselves out of poverty, just like that. Human beings created to do > > > > > much bigger things than struggle with food and clothes and some tiny > > > > > little thing. These are matters of past, these are pre-historic thing. > > > > > Real history will begin when there are no such things. > > > > > ... > > > > > > The entire interview is > > > > > at:http://www.abc.net.au/tv/elders/transcripts/s2757468.htm-Hide > > > > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
