ok, I admit to being confused... On Jan 4, 7:09 pm, dj Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > Well I would not mock God...but yes there is mocking...hanging Santa on a > Cross..and many other examples...Now I would not mock God or stimulate in > demostration of God..dj.. > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:05 PM, dj Briscoe > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > That is really strange I was looking up the movie Compassion of Christ..dj > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:03 PM, > > <[email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > >> Today's Topic Summary > > >> Group:http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye/topics > > >> - Are Muslims Making You > >> Nervous?<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=GRUts-X5mqs.en...>[8 > >> Updates] > >> - Can God be mocked? Do blasphemy laws make > >> sense?<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=GRUts-X5mqs.en...>[6 > >> Updates] > >> - the definition of > >> evil<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=GRUts-X5mqs.en...>[4 > >> Updates] > > >> Topic: Are Muslims Making You > >> Nervous?<http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye/t/f9226b1784c7fcde> > > >> archytas <[email protected]> Jan 04 09:06AM -0800 > >> ^<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=GRUts-X5mqs.en...> > > >> I have heard the 'criminal elements' language before. It only > >> popularised Irish Republican fund-raising in the US at the time. No > >> one in here raising PC Molly - from someone active in this thread at > >> it. It is an answer to nothing as it is so easily feigned. Chaz a > >> poor authority because he was banned from this thread - seems only a > >> good reason to leave. OTT on occasion, the poor boy was ill. What > >> can't tolerate someone like that has little occasion to pat itself on > >> the back. If we want to know what people are generally thinking, what > >> about a transcript from some pub conversations - but no, we are too > >> precious. We will make up our own minds on what others think from > >> inside our little worlds. > >> Very decent people in the Republican movement were branded > >> 'criminal'. Decent enough to shake my hand and work together now. > >> Not that long ago, people we are now calling Islamic terrorists we > >> heroes of the time, throwing out imperial colonialism - now they bomb > >> our cosy lives under much the same freedom fighting rules as before. > >> It was Islamic then and it is now. Not that the Muslims were the only > >> ones sensible enough to try and throw out the imperialists. > >> I've seen first hand how Mullahs and other mosque figures will say one > >> thing in public whilst encouraging mobs to attack women not wearing > >> the black bag. The attacks are on 'whores' and are obscene. All the > >> middle eastern revolutions used Islam until established, after which > >> terror becomes the authority and the mosques are purged. > >> There have been scurrilous and obvious attacks on Slip here and you > >> are too self-absorbed to know yourselves as perpetrators. I doubt > >> anyone in this state could know what PC is and how it operates and > >> especially how vicious it is. Here's to the families of our troops > >> and every innocent Muslim fallen (which I guess is a ratio of more > >> than 20:1). My apologies to them for our lazy lack of understanding. > >> I guess they will not be interested in the crucifixion of Chaz at the > >> altar of the precious who get others to do the dirty work. It's my > >> cardboard city run turn tonight in Manchester. 10,000 former UK > >> service people are homeless and there are a few down by the old docks. > >> Some scuz who can't put three words together without an insult in foul > >> language emerging has given me enough meat for a week. A BNP > >> supporter enough vegetables. Stew is better than soup in these > >> temperatures. I'd ask you to look at your prissy 'arguments', but I > >> may as well ask you to be out all night with me over the next few > >> days. Two black Muslims from Africa will be. Apologies are due to > >> Slip, though he's man enough not to need them. Nietzsche once > >> apologised to a donkey for Descartes Slip. I'll apologise to you for > >> these worthies. It's not known whether Nietzsche actually took the > >> lash for the animal, but I would. No doubt 'they' will only think I > >> am calling you a donkey. You will know I'm insulting you for certain > >> and smile, mon vieux Lapin. > > >> frantheman <[email protected]> Jan 04 09:38AM -0800 > >> ^<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=GRUts-X5mqs.en...> > > >> Fascinating! > > >> I restarted this thread a few days ago (after a 12 day hiatus) with a > >> reference to the attack on Kurt Westergaard (the author of the > >> infamous Muhammad caricature) last week. For those who need reminding, > >> the following link shows the original newpaper page, which provoked so > >> much indignation throughout Islam worldwide, Westergaard's cartoon is > >> the one second from the right at the top: > > >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Jyllands-Posten-pg3-art... > > >> Since then, the discussion that has been pursued here has mostly > >> focussed on Abdulmutallab's attempted bombing of the plane to Detroit. > >> Only Neil and Pat have directly addressed the issue of the attempted > >> murder of Westergaard. This suggests, perhaps, that the majority of > >> our US-based contributors are primarily concerned with strongly > >> americanocentric perspectives. > > >> Abdulmutallab's attack is, after all, no surprise - it is an attempt > >> to emulate the deeds of the 9/11 terrorists and shows, as Justin > >> points out, just how little the so-called War on Terror has achieved > >> in over eight years. > > >> The Westergaard issue, however, raises other questions. One I find > >> interesting is the position taken by major religions, particularly - > >> but not exclusively - Islam, with regard to freedom of opinion and > >> expression, especially when these opinions are critical towards, or > >> downright hostile to the religions in question. This is a complex > >> question, reflected in the fact that many western countries have anti- > >> blasphemy laws on their statute books. (In fact, Ireland, my own > >> native country, passed new legislation in this area only last year: > >> http://bocktherobber.com/2009/04/blasphemous-libel.) > > >> Personally, I have problems with the view that religious sensibilities > >> need particular legal protection, particularly given the fact that > >> clerics of all religions and denominations routinely describe non- > >> believers (atheists and agnostics) as inherently immoral or amoral. > >> The very idea of blasphemy seems incoherent to me - how can you insult > >> an omnipotent being? Can God be mocked at all? > > >> Francis > > >> Molly <[email protected]> Jan 04 09:42AM -0800 > >> ^<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=GRUts-X5mqs.en...> > > >> I suppose with language like scurrilous, prissy, demeaning and absurd, > >> we are not trying to clarify our positions and gain understanding but > >> rather score points. I would say the points here have been made time > >> and again, and those who will listen have heard. Whether or not we > >> agree with other groups and their cultures, what we say and how we say > >> it does have an impact, here with each other and in the larger > >> context. This hot topic seems to be at the top of the list here in > >> the US in every medium, I am not surprised that it is in this group as > >> well. > > >> fiddler <[email protected]> Jan 04 10:20AM -0800 > >> ^<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=GRUts-X5mqs.en...> > > >> Actually, that example of child brides is from here in America, a > >> mormon separatists group. > > >> > and kill without qualm. And, they are heard and broadcast, hence > >> take > >> > on a prominence which all the good people put together have not even > >> a > >> > fraction. > > >> The problem with considering some of a group to not represent the > >> whole is a problem religions have had for millennia. The problem with > >> islam is that the "good" ones still show up at rallies and parades > >> along with the "bad" ones. If I show up at a parade to support a > >> cause, and I see banners proclaiming death and destruction, I quickly > >> leave as I do not want to lend credence or support to them. > >> Muslims do not do this. Every time there is a "religion of peace" > >> parade, hundreds of people burn effigies and flags, carry signs that > >> call for the end of any country that is not islamic or sharia, and > >> promise murder and destruction. Thousands follow them, and then > >> proclaim that they don't stand for those ideas. It cannot be had both > >> directions. > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Z3bCj29pc > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs&feature=related > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4&feature=related > >> These people are trying to get (and have partially succeeded in > >> Britain) to have sharia law, with massive support from a majority of > >> Britains 1.5 million muslims. > > >> On Jan 4, 6:58 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > basics well ! > > >> > " If Vam represents the good muslim, then more > > ... > > read more »
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