Interesting thought Pat never thought of communion as cannibalism and vampire-ism.. I does suprinse my coming from you as you try to see God in every thing.. Jesus was a very enlightened man and the symbolism of the breaking of bread drinking of the wine would be a recognition of God. The bread being a visual representation of God and in eating this bread we are recognising that God provides all of our substance and with out blood there is no life. I find it a fantastic symbolism.
I probably have messed up what I am trying to say as it is a symbolism that is not easily explained,, People have done a great job of twisting the idea over the centuries.. and no one has done a good job.. Allan On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 16 Jan, 05:37, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > I understand that you have not been reading my posts and thoughts long > > enough in this group to understand that I do not subscribe to much of > > the catholic requirements, beliefs, biblical interpretations and many > > other aspects of Catholicism. My statement to you, fid, was that I > > have attended many Catholic churches over the years. You see, the > > fact that I believe differently has not prevented me from being > > accepted into Catholic congregations, having my children receive the > > sacraments even though I was never married in a Catholic church. I > > have never been threatened or slighted in anyway for believing > > differently. This has been my experience. I don't think that > > anyone's generalized ideas about Catholicisms, or Christianity would > > fit my view, which is probably closer to New Thought or the mystical > > traditions that anything else, although my view would stretch those > > boundaries also. Like Pat, and probably several others here, I have > > studied may different philosophies and religions, and formed my own > > particular world view. > > > > Oooh, I STILL shudder at the thought that my children are being > raised Catholic. I have always been opposed to certain sacraments, > the Eucharist being the most offensive to me. How symbolic > cannibalism and vampirism could EVER be considered 'holy' is beyond > me. Oh yeah...it was a Pauline interpretation. Although I was raised > Methodist, I avoided EVER taking that which was called 'communion' > because I found it, even at age 5, to be a vile thing conceptually. > Considering that partaking of blood, either literally or symbolically, > would have been antithetical to 'good Judaism', I find it impossible > to accept that such a rite was ever intended by Jesus himself. I CAN, > though, see why he might have said something along the lines of: > remember me when you eat and drink (a quote from Jesus Christ > Superstar). From there, it just became totally perverted in such a > way as to entice the Mithra worshippers, who were already doing such a > thing, that Paul was trying to convert. Near the end of my book, I > will be putting in a certain number of 'challenges' to current faiths > in order for them to reconsider certain practices. The Eucharist is, > perhaps, tops on my list. This, of course, will upset many, but, I > feel duty-bound to try to right the wrongs of the past, lest they bite > the innocent/ignorant/uneducated who simply don't know any better. > > > On Jan 15, 7:11 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You are a self described catholic, his comment about your presumed > > > belief is accurate until you modify your description of your religion > > > of choice. > > > > > On Jan 14, 3:25 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You are mistaken about my religious beliefs and lifestyle, but right > > > > about my mod role. Comments here should be directed at the ideas, > not > > > > the person. I am not digging for confrontation a bit. If you have a > > > > question about my statements in this thread, I suggest you be more > > > > direct about the statements, and not rely on your assessment of my > > > > character (which appears to be off the mark.) > > > > > > On Jan 14, 4:29 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > No its not snide at all, Molly but being that you ask I'd have to > say > > > > > you have been a bit edgy as of late, possibly the mod role > initiating > > > > > a keener sense of commentary. My comment addresses the biblical > > > > > accounts of differentiating gender and marital roles, not hard to > > > > > understand, secondly I'm under the impression that you are based in > a > > > > > biblical lifestyle, if not then forget it. Christian women > willingly > > > > > defer to their husbands by default, at least those that I know who > are > > > > > seriously attentive to biblical teachings. The comment, not > remark, > > > > > wearing the pants in the family is a very common, well known phrase > > > > > that indicates who rules the roost. If you are digging for > > > > > confrontation I'll just stay on the other side of the street. > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 2:30 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't know what you mean. Is your remark snide? > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 2:16 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I would think that you most of all should already ascribe to > the > > > > > > > doctrines of difference in religiously designated marital > roles, in > > > > > > > the biblical sense. Or do you wear the pants in the family? > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 12:58 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't see the importance in defining the difference there. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 11:34 am, edward mason <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > To have a religion (a product of culture) is to have a > leader to lead > > > > > > > > > to God. Unnatural in a relationship. For those of you who > are married > > > > > > > > > imagine needing a leader there. How will you define a > difference > > > > > > > > > there? > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Pat < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan, 16:58, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Makes a lot of sense Pat. ;-] > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, mate! I do try. But it's my "life's work", as > it were; so I > > > > > > > > > > want it to be as sound as possible. Although, I know > that, even > > > > > > > > > > though I speak the truth, many people will be VERY upset > by that. > > > > > > > > > > But, that, I'm afraid, goes with the role. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Jan 14, 7:21 am, Pat <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On 14 Jan, 08:42, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > The world seems more religious than ever these days. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Across the Middle East, fervent forms of Islam are > growing more > > > > > > > > > >> > > popular and more politically active. Muslim nations > that were somewhat > > > > > > > > > >> > > secularized 40 years ago - like Lebanon and Iran - > are now teeming > > > > > > > > > >> > > with fundamentalism. In Turkey and Egypt, increasing > numbers of women > > > > > > > > > >> > > are turning to the veil as an overt manifestation of > reinvigorated > > > > > > > > > >> > > religious commitment. But it isn't just in the > Muslim world that > > > > > > > > > >> > > religion is thriving. From Brazil to El Salvador, > Protestant > > > > > > > > > >> > > evangelicalism is spreading with great success, > instilling a spirited, > > > > > > > > > >> > > holy zeal throughout Latin America. Pentecostalism > is proliferating, > > > > > > > > > >> > > too - vigorously - and not only throughout Latin > America, but in > > > > > > > > > >> > > Africa and even, to a lesser extent, China. And many > nations of the > > > > > > > > > >> > > former Soviet Union, which had atheism imposed upon > them for decades, > > > > > > > > > >> > > have emerged from the communist era with their faith > not only intact, > > > > > > > > > >> > > but strong and vibrant. Here in the United States, > religion is > > > > > > > > > >> > > definitely alive and well. In terms of church > attendance and belief in > > > > > > > > > >> > > God, Jesus, and the Bible, religion in the United > States is stronger > > > > > > > > > >> > > and more robust than in most other developed > democracies. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > In sum, from Nebraska to Nepal, from Georgia to > Guatemala, and from > > > > > > > > > >> > > Utah to Uganda, humans all over the globe are > vigorously praising > > > > > > > > > >> > > various deities; regularly attending services at > churches, temples, > > > > > > > > > >> > > and mosques; persistently studying sacred texts; > dutifully performing > > > > > > > > > >> > > holy rites; energetically carrying out spiritual > rituals; soberly > > > > > > > > > >> > > defending the world from sin; piously fasting; and > enthusiastically > > > > > > > > > >> > > praying and then praying some more, singing, > praising, and loving this > > > > > > > > > >> > > or that savior, prophet, or God. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > But that is not occurring everywhere. I am referring > to two nations in > > > > > > > > > >> > > particular, Denmark and Sweden, which are probably > the least religious > > > > > > > > > >> > > countries in the world, and possibly in the history > of the world. > > > > > > > > > >> > > Amidst all this vibrant global piety - atop the vast > swelling sea of > > > > > > > > > >> > > sacredness - Denmark and Sweden float along like > small, content, > > > > > > > > > >> > > durable dinghies of secular life, where most people > are nonreligious > > > > > > > > > >> > > and don't worship Jesus or Vishnu, don't revere > sacred texts, don't > > > > > > > > > >> > > pray, and don't give much credence to the essential > dogmas of the > > > > > > > > > >> > > world's great faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > In clean and green Scandinavia, few people speak of > God, few people > > > > > > > > > >> > > spend much time thinking about theological matters, > and although their > > > > > > > > > >> > > media in recent years has done an unusually large > amount of reporting > > > > > > > > > >> > > on religion, even that is offered as an attempt to > grapple with and > > > > > > > > > >> > > make sense of a strange foreign phenomenon out there > in the wider > > > > > > > > > >> > > world that refuses to disappear, a phenomenon that > takes on such dire > > > > > > > > > >> > > significance for everyone - except, well, for Danes > and Swedes. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > What are societies like when faith in God is > minimal, church > > > > > > > > > >> > > attendance is drastically low, and religion is a > distinctly muted and > > > > > > > > > >> > > marginal aspect of everyday life? > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Many people assume that religion is what keeps > people moral, that a > > > > > > > > > >> > > society without God would be hell on earth: rampant > with immorality, > > > > > > > > > >> > > full of evil, and teeming with depravity. But that > doesn't seem to be > > > > > > > > > >> > > the case for Scandinavians in those two countries. > Although they may > > > > > > > > > >> > > have relatively high rates of petty crime and > burglary, and although > > > > > > > > > >> > > these crime rates have been on the rise in recent > decades, their > > > > > > > > > >> > > overall rates of violent crime - including murder, > aggravated assault, > > > > > > > > > >> > > and rape - are among the lowest on earth. Yet the > majority of Danes > > > > > > > > > >> > > and Swedes do not believe that God is "up there," > keeping diligent > > > > > > > > > >> > > tabs on their behavior, slating the good for heaven > and the wicked for > > > > > > > > > >> > > hell. Most Danes and Swedes don't believe that sin > permeates the > > > > > > > > > >> > > world, and that only Jesus, the Son of God, who died > for their sins, > > > > > > > > > >> > > can serve as a remedy. In fact, most Danes and > Swedes don't even > > > > > > > > > >> > > believe in the notion of "sin." > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > So the typical Dane or Swede doesn't believe all > that much in God. And > > > > > > > > > >> > > simultaneously, they don't commit much murder. But > aren't they a dour, > > > > > > > > > >> > > depressed lot, all the same? Not according to Ruut > Veenhoven, > > > > > > > > > >> > > professor emeritus of social conditions for human > happiness at Erasmus > > > > > > > > > >> > > University Rotterdam. Veenhoven is a leading > authority on worldwide > > > > > > > > > >> > > levels of happiness from country to country. He > recently ranked 91 > > > > > > > > > >> > > nations on an international happiness scale, basing > his research on > > > > > > > > > >> > > cumulative scores from numerous worldwide > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan--
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